Delicately dissing dtd

[RED-DOG]

I don't think I'm explaining myself very well here, perhaps I'm shouting too loud, or not making enough references sexual behaiviour and bodily functions.


I suppose what I'm really trying to say is that I don't see why a 45min/1hour clock and 10k chips is a good structure for a 2 day £1000+ main event, but not for a £300/£500 two day event.

 

[ripple11]

I don't think I'm explaining myself very well here, perhaps I'm souting too loud, or not making enough references sexual behaiviour and bodily functions.


I suppose what I'm really trying to say is that I don't see why a 45min/1hour clock and 10k chips is a good structure for a 2 day £1000+ main event, but not for a £300/£500 two day event.

 

Especially if APAT can do it for 75 quid !! 

[ifm]

When you buy a  Bentley continental you get a few more luxuries than when you buy a Volvo S40, this is essentially the difference here, if you want more you pay more.

[RED-DOG]

When you buy a  Bentley continental you get a few more luxuries than when you buy a Volvo S40, this is essentially the difference here, if you want more you pay more.

That statement suggests that, given the choice, most people would rather have the Bentley than the Volvo.

Imagine how popular someone would be if they could supply Bentleys at Volvo prices.

[Karabiner]

When you buy a  Bentley continental you get a few more luxuries than when you buy a Volvo S40, this is essentially the difference here, if you want more you pay more.

That's just a silly analogy Ian, a two-day event is a two-day event regardless of the price..

[Newportlad]

Why should you have to pay more for a better structure??

[ifm]

If a volvo s40 had everything a bentley continental had then why buy the bentley?
Ok the analogy may not be perfect but i was trying to make a point, you want the est you pay for it.

[RED-DOG]

If a volvo s40 had everything a bentley continental had then why buy the bentley?
Ok the analogy may not be perfect but i was trying to make a point, you want the est you pay for it.

Thank you Ian, I think your arguments are doing more to get my point accross than I ever could.

[AndrewT]

When you buy a  Bentley continental you get a few more luxuries than when you buy a Volvo S40, this is essentially the difference here, if you want more you pay more.

Another analogy concerns CPUs for computers. A company may produce two chips exactly the same, but then throttle one so that it runs slower. This then enables them to have price differential which means they can put a premum price on the unaltered chip (as it's quicker than the other one).

As far as DTD goes, the increase in chips and clock for the bigger event is where players will get the feeling they're getting better value for their money. If the £500 was 10k/1hr, then players turning up for the £1500 may well start questioning the 10k/1hr clock for that.

"This is the same structure as for the £500 - why isn't the £1500 15k chips/90 min clock? What are we paying an extra £1000 for??"

[ifm]

If a volvo s40 had everything a bentley continental had then why buy the bentley?
Ok the analogy may not be perfect but i was trying to make a point, you want the est you pay for it.

Thank you Ian, I think your arguments are doing more to get my point accross than I ever could.

You re most welcome, a poll maybe?

[K9sixtwo]

I see where you are all coming from and now im confused ... A generous chip allocation and structure should not be a hinderance .. the final reward is in the prize pool..However if the structure and chip allocation is the same for £50 as £1000 then i can understand a disquiet over the higher buy in fee for the same product and service.. All in all though i think that the excellent structure for £50 buy in is to be applauded..
If you pay more for your money you get more back .. A bently and a volvo will both take you from A to B but one will do it in more style...
Now I'm confusing myself....
a carefully worded Poll would be good..

[RED-DOG]

If a volvo s40 had everything a bentley continental had then why buy the bentley?
Ok the analogy may not be perfect but i was trying to make a point, you want the est you pay for it.

Thank you Ian, I think your arguments are doing more to get my point accross than I ever could.

You re most welcome, a poll maybe?

You have already said that the longer clock/more chips structure is the best, (the Bentley), and that's my point too, we agree.


A Poll? If you like, but the way it is worded will affect the result a great deal. APAT are a practical demonstration, and the results speak for themselves.

[LLevan]

Why should the value of the buy in mean that the structure/starting stack is different if both are 2 day events. The argument that you are paying more so expect better is irrelevant in this case since everything you pay less the juice is going into the prize pool and when you enter the tournament you have a rough idea of number of runners and therefore know roughly what the prize fund will be. The analogy between a Volvo and a Bentley is totally irrelevant in the case of 2 different staked poker tournaments both being over a 2 day period. Its totally elitist to state that a main event of a festival designed to be played out over 2 days should have a different starting stack and structure to an earlier smaller stake 2 day event.
Like loads have already said on this thread not everyone can afford the large entry cost of playing main events but if card rooms are prepared to allocate 2 days for a smaller entry tournament there is definitely no reason to give them less starting chips and to miss out levels that would be there for a similar 2 day main event.

[RED-DOG]

Why should the value of the buy in mean that the structure/starting stack is different if both are 2 day events. The argument that you are paying more so expect better is irrelevant in this case since everything you pay less the juice is going into the prize pool and when you enter the tournament you have a rough idea of number of runners and therefore know roughly what the prize fund will be. The analogy between a Volvo and a Bentley is totally irrelevant in the case of 2 different staked poker tournaments both being over a 2 day period. Its totally elitist to state that a main event of a festival designed to be played out over 2 days should have a different starting stack and structure to an earlier smaller stake 2 day event.
Like loads have already said on this thread not everyone can afford the large entry cost of playing main events but if card rooms are prepared to allocate 2 days for a smaller entry tournament there is definitely no reason to give them less starting chips and to miss out levels that would be there for a similar 2 day main event.

Would that I could make a point half as eloquently as that.

Thank you sir. May your soul get to heaven half an hour before the devil knows you're dead.

[LLevan]

You are welcome Red even if I think I waffled on a bit there as it was lol