500 for Carragher

[Nem]

I agree with Nemesis

Woodgate in particular

when King and Woodgate have performed consistently well at the highest level for ten years they might stand comparison.

They have. King in the EPL and Woodgate in the EPL and La Liga.

Don't start saying the the Champions League is harder to win/pinnacle, because Liverpool and Porto have proved otherwise.

[TightEnd]

Woodgate has been

when at Leeds it was near top of Prem and in Europe, then Madrid. His decision to go to Boro was a bit daft, but he's a home boy.

since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Woodgate 1998

King obv not at the highest European level with his club, but in the Prem and for his country yes


Anyway, i think Carragher is an excellent player, we're talking semantics and opinions between three talented palyers

Give me one, I'd choose Woodgate on the basis of natural talent

[kinboshi]

I'd go for Titus Bramble.

[Nem]

I'd go for Titus Bramble.

It's a coin flip between Bramble and Carragher...

[kinboshi]

I'd go for Titus Bramble.

It's a coin flip between Bramble and Carragher...

Sounds like you know your stuff.

[Flea]

Jamie Carragher - the most overrated defender in football. Flea, I take it you're a Liverpool supporter,

No I'm not a Liverpool fan - Don't really support anyone in the Premiership so have no real bias towards any of them, I just go by what I see and would prefer Carragher to most named although agree with Tighty that barring injuries Woodgate is the best we've got on pure ability.

All the names mentioned are far better than the "players" we have playing at centre-half for my lowly (becoming ever lower Championship team) - I'm an eternally optimistic season ticket holder at Wolves so I know lots about poor defenders!! (and don't get me started on forwards).

[Colchester Kev]

Liverpool's Jamie Carragher says he "hasn't got a clue" if he will ever win the Premier League title with the club (Independent).


Let me help you out Jamie, the answer is NO !!

[TightEnd]

its ok though, tell him his Aston Martin hubcaps are for sale this Sunday at the car Boot on Toxteth Road

[turny]

500 games for your club is an amazing feat and should be applauded. carragher is in the same mould as tony adams and alvin martins of this world and in time john terry will be in the same bracket.
these guys are few and far between, players that are full of passion for there club and show it week in week out and have no intention of playing for another club.

but internationally mr carragher disappoints me. im sorry but regardless of whether you are chosen or not, whether you play right back centreback substitute or teaboy you should never turn your back on your country by makig yourself unavailable imo.

the argument isnt whether hes good enough or better than whoever and i agree a succession of england managers have underused carragher at relevant times over the last  10 years but thats not a reason to say i wont play for england anymore.

if i was england manager i wouldnt even think about choosing him in a squad again, just because theres a change of manager doesnt mean his circumstances have changed so why should the manager think his attitude for playing for his country has?

in reality mr carragher is in the top 5 centre backs available for england and thus should be in the squad but he chooses not to be, hes not 1st choice if everyones fit and never was and never will be.

as for woodgate dont make me laugh, the most over hyped over rated and under achieving centre back we have produced in many years imo

[Colchester Kev]

500 games for your club is an amazing feat and should be applauded. carragher is in the same mould as tony adams and alvin martins of this world and in time john terry will be in the same bracket.
these guys are few and far between, players that are full of passion for there club and show it week in week out and have no intention of playing for another club.

but internationally mr carragher disappoints me. im sorry but regardless of whether you are chosen or not, whether you play right back centreback substitute or teaboy you should never turn your back on your country by makig yourself unavailable imo.

the argument isnt whether hes good enough or better than whoever and i agree a succession of england managers have underused carragher at relevant times over the last  10 years but thats not a reason to say i wont play for england anymore.

if i was england manager i wouldnt even think about choosing him in a squad again, just because theres a change of manager doesnt mean his circumstances have changed so why should the manager think his attitude for playing for his country has?

in reality mr carragher is in the top 5 centre backs available for england and thus should be in the squad but he chooses not to be, hes not 1st choice if everyones fit and never was and never will be.

as for woodgate dont make me laugh, the most over hyped over rated and under achieving centre back we have produced in many years imo

turny, that is a great post and i pretty much agree with every word !!


off for a lie down

[Nem]

500 games for your club is an amazing feat and should be applauded. carragher is in the same mould as tony adams and alvin martins of this world and in time john terry will be in the same bracket.
these guys are few and far between, players that are full of passion for there club and show it week in week out and have no intention of playing for another club.

but internationally mr carragher disappoints me. im sorry but regardless of whether you are chosen or not, whether you play right back centreback substitute or teaboy you should never turn your back on your country by makig yourself unavailable imo.

the argument isnt whether hes good enough or better than whoever and i agree a succession of england managers have underused carragher at relevant times over the last  10 years but thats not a reason to say i wont play for england anymore.

if i was england manager i wouldnt even think about choosing him in a squad again, just because theres a change of manager doesnt mean his circumstances have changed so why should the manager think his attitude for playing for his country has?

in reality mr carragher is in the top 5 centre backs available for england and thus should be in the squad but he chooses not to be, hes not 1st choice if everyones fit and never was and never will be.

as for woodgate dont make me laugh, the most over hyped over rated and under achieving centre back we have produced in many years imo

Good post apart from the last sentance.

Each to their own though...

[Acidmouse]

Woodgate would have been England's centre back from years and years had he not had an injury riddled career. More qualifed judges at alot of the top clubs could see how he marshalled the Leeds team against the best in Europe for a number of seasons, rather sucessfully.

One thing with Woodgate is he can make it look so easy, never gets upset or ruffled, rarely booked or making rash tackles.

I had the pleasure of watching him play 100's of times and its more than a little unfair to have a pop at him. Under achieved as in playing for arguablly Europes biggest team? playing in numerous european semi finals? having the pick of what teams he could play for?

I would swop him for most of the other current centre backs playing in the prem today....and I bet most of the managers would do to...

Overhyped? sigh........

[The Baron]

I agree with Nemesis

Woodgate in particular

when King and Woodgate have performed consistently well at the highest level for ten years they might stand comparison.

They have. King in the EPL and Woodgate in the EPL and La Liga.

Don't start saying the the Champions League is harder to win/pinnacle, because Liverpool and Porto have proved otherwise.

Behave yourself!

Woodgate hasnt even had a full season at the top level since when?

King is going to be great no doubt but he hasnt done it yet.

Carragher has.

[Nem]

I agree with Nemesis

Woodgate in particular

when King and Woodgate have performed consistently well at the highest level for ten years they might stand comparison.

They have. King in the EPL and Woodgate in the EPL and La Liga.

Don't start saying the the Champions League is harder to win/pinnacle, because Liverpool and Porto have proved otherwise.

Behave yourself!

Woodgate hasnt even had a full season at the top level since when?

King is going to be great no doubt but he hasnt done it yet.

Carragher has.

I would rather have King any day of the week over Carragher - and it isn't even close. King is the best Spurs player since Gascoigne.

[brad.strider]

I agree with Nemesis

Woodgate in particular

when King and Woodgate have performed consistently well at the highest level for ten years they might stand comparison.

They have. King in the EPL and Woodgate in the EPL and La Liga.

Don't start saying the the Champions League is harder to win/pinnacle, because Liverpool and Porto have proved otherwise.

Behave yourself!

Woodgate hasnt even had a full season at the top level since when?

King is going to be great no doubt but he hasnt done it yet.

Carragher has.

I would rather have King any day of the week over Carragher - and it isn't even close. King is the best Spurs player since Gascoigne.

better than berbatov nem?