Call..All In..Fold!??

[NumptyITB]

I am not 100% sure on exact amounts here but they are close estimates...

Ok. This happened in a live £75 NLHE Deep Stack Freezeout.

Blinds are 200-400.

Folds around to the button who happens to be a regular blonde, who makes it 1,600 to play. Small blind folds. You are on big blind and look down at :

 

You flat call.

FLOP:
 

You bet 1,600

The initial raiser, immediatly grabs a stack of chips and chucks them in, seemingly not even looking at how many it is...

It turns out to be around an extra 3,500.

You have 11,000 chips behind. Average stack at this stage is approx 13,000.

Call... Fold... All in... ?

Your views..

[Longy]

I would fold or 3bet preflop, given reads if he opens on the button light i make it something 4.5k and fold to a shove, most of the time I just pass.

I would be looking to check raise this flop. As played you have 12 live outs most of the time which make it close to a flip, with the overlay the pot is giving you and some fold equity.  Doing anything but shoving is a poor 2nd imo.

[celtic]

shove

[Newmanseye]

Shove and hope for the heart.

[TightEnd]

why lead out on that flop that connects with pre-flop raisers unless you are gonig to shove?

Personally I would check raise all in here, and get the two way play..he might fold or you might hit

[boldie]

why lead out on that flop that connects with pre-flop raisers unless you are gonig to shove?

This is the key part. Think before you bet out here. If you lead out you HAVE TO call.

[NumptyITB]

I personally would of check raised all in on the flop...

the guy only took about 30 seconds too, and just folded... and showed...

[LuckyLloyd]

Bet, 3 betting all - in here isn't terrible. What would you do with a set?

A lot of this depends on whether the villain is any good, but:

- It's a really bad flop for him to continuation bet / fold when he misses or flops top pair;
- This is the exact type of flop that a preflop raiser will expect to get checkraised on a lot;
- When you donk out here it is really annoying - and this will sometimes make him raise hands he shouldn't out of pure frustration;

You want to get money in here if it's going in. The flop is awesome from your perspective tbh. If you check and he checks behind you either miss the turn and are in a pretty difficult spot or fail to get paid off given that any card which completes your hand is going to be a natural scare card for him.

If he continuation bets he is either auto folding to a checkraise or auto getting it in because he has a set / straight / two pair.

As such, I think bet / 3 betting here makes life much more difficult for him. It will also increase your chances of getting paid the times you do flop two pair or a set.

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FOLD PREFLOP THOUGH. Christ.