AK AI Max number of Big Blinds?

[byronkincaid]

Say you're playing a tournament and you have AK. How many BBs are you happy to get all in with pre flop against an unknown?

I for example am very happy to get AI with 20 BBs but would not want to get AI with 100 BBs. Where is the cutoff? I would think if they're suited it will be a bit more.

I realise it depends if you're pushing or calling and how the action goes but as a general kinda rule we're happy to be AI pre with ? BBs?

[kinboshi]

Good question, as I think I boo-booed with AK-sooted last night when I made a standard raise with 15xBB instead of shoving pre.  AQ called and hit the queen on the flop when I had the nuts-flush draw as well.  All the money went in, and I went out.  I think I should have shoved pre, and been happy to take the blinds.

[doubleup]

Good question, as I think I boo-booed with AK-sooted last night when I made a standard raise with 15xBB instead of shoving pre.  AQ called and hit the queen on the flop when I had the nuts-flush draw as well.  All the money went in, and I went out.  I think I should have shoved pre, and been happy to take the blinds.

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[kinboshi]

Good question, as I think I boo-booed with AK-sooted last night when I made a standard raise with 15xBB instead of shoving pre.  AQ called and hit the queen on the flop when I had the nuts-flush draw as well.  All the money went in, and I went out.  I think I should have shoved pre, and been happy to take the blinds.

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I wasn't offering analysis, I was saying it was a good question and I'm looking forward to the analysis and opinions of good players so I can improve my game.  But thanks for your input.

[byronkincaid]

i think with 15 BBs you should be making a standard raise but with the intention of calling if someone puts you AI. You are kinda commited if you C-bet as well, say you bet 3 BBs pre then C-Bet 5 you've put half your stack in, so if he pushes and you've got overcards and some sort of draw as well it's a pretty easy call imo.

Just to clarify, I'm not asking how many BBs you should push AI preflop with (that would be 10) but how many BBs are you happy to get AI with if it gets 3 bet or whatever.

[doubleup]

If folded to you in the small blind it is apparently ev+ to move in with 150bbs.

[kinboshi]

i think with 15 BBs you should be making a standard raise but with the intention of calling if someone puts you AI. You are kinda commited if you C-bet as well, say you bet 3 BBs pre then C-Bet 5 you've put half your stack in, so if he pushes and you've got overcards and some sort of draw as well it's a pretty easy call imo.

That's pretty much what happened - but should I be betting to give myself the odds to call all-in on the flop if I miss?  Would I not be better off playing it differently?

Just to clarify, I'm not asking how many BBs you should push AI preflop with (that would be 10) but how many BBs are you happy to get AI with if it gets 3 bet or whatever.

I'll remove myself from the thread now - didn't mean to hijack it.

[boldie]

i think with 15 BBs you should be making a standard raise but with the intention of calling if someone puts you AI. You are kinda commited if you C-bet as well, say you bet 3 BBs pre then C-Bet 5 you've put half your stack in, so if he pushes and you've got overcards and some sort of draw as well it's a pretty easy call imo.

That's pretty much what happened - but should I be betting to give myself the odds to call all-in on the flop if I miss?  Would I not be better off playing it differently?

Just to clarify, I'm not asking how many BBs you should push AI preflop with (that would be 10) but how many BBs are you happy to get AI with if it gets 3 bet or whatever.

I'll remove myself from the thread now - didn't mean to hijack it.

I think we should start a new one as you tainted this with your inane ramblings and bad beat story already, Welshie.


For the OP..the question as to how many completely depends on the situation..30-40 is also fine sometimes

[byronkincaid]

i think with 15 BBs you should be making a standard raise but with the intention of calling if someone puts you AI. You are kinda commited if you C-bet as well, say you bet 3 BBs pre then C-Bet 5 you've put half your stack in, so if he pushes and you've got overcards and some sort of draw as well it's a pretty easy call imo.

That's pretty much what happened - but should I be betting to give myself the odds to call all-in on the flop if I miss?  Would I not be better off playing it differently?

Just to clarify, I'm not asking how many BBs you should push AI preflop with (that would be 10) but how many BBs are you happy to get AI with if it gets 3 bet or whatever.

I'll remove myself from the thread now - didn't mean to hijack it.

to c bet or not to c bet...

3 + 3 + 1.5 + 5 = 12.5 he pushes pot is 19.5, 7 to call 2.8/1 so you need to be what 26% to win? where's longy? if you just have overs that would be 6 outs x 2 = 24% so given he could be on some sort of draw or something you gotta call. with a runner runner flush or gutshot as well it's easy. probably.

if you push pre I don't think it's terrible but not optimal, C-betting most of the time is correct imo espec if OOP.

[TightEnd]

Say you're playing a tournament and you have AK. How many BBs are you happy to get all in with pre flop against an unknown?

I for example am very happy to get AI with 20 BBs but would not want to get AI with 100 BBs. Where is the cutoff? I would think if they're suited it will be a bit more.

I realise it depends if you're pushing or calling and how the action goes but as a general kinda rule we're happy to be AI pre with ? BBs?

as you indicate, a lot of variables come into play...

lets say 20-30x bb in a comp.

[Horneris]

Good question, as I think I boo-booed with AK-sooted last night when I made a standard raise with 15xBB instead of shoving pre.  AQ called and hit the queen on the flop when I had the nuts-flush draw as well.  All the money went in, and I went out.  I think I should have shoved pre, and been happy to take the blinds.

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[AlexMartin]

Field dependant, i think 30BB is fine in a longhanded comp.

How do ppl think about AK in 6-max cash? Up to maybe 60BB im happy getting it in w AK.

[TightEnd]

Field dependant, i think 30BB is fine in a longhanded comp.

How do ppl think about AK in 6-max cash? Up to maybe 60BB im happy getting it in w AK.

sub 50x for me


full ring? 30-40x?

just thinking out loud

[Horneris]

I got it all in last night for 75 BBs with  , but it was all green and looked amazing. Up against  tho, so yer, hmmm.

Hard to fold when its blue and green imo.

[deputydawg]

Field dependant, i think 30BB is fine in a longhanded comp.

How do ppl think about AK in 6-max cash? Up to maybe 60BB im happy getting it in w AK.

48x BB in 6 max cash is clearly the most you should be doing it with unless in sb then 50 would be OK