SNG AK Decision

[Laxie]

Hero is second in chips and chip leader is solid player who has 'only shown the goods'.  Why would you push here?  Any pair is better than no pair and surely one of them has some sort of pair.  Add to that, the AK aren't soooooted, so removes some of your potential draws.  Even if neither of them has a pair, do you want to use your chips to prove it?  Especially when there's another pretty low stack still sitting at the table, I wait for a better spot...preferably heads up with the chip leader.  But then, I'm still learning so be gentle if my thinking is well wrong.

[TightEnd]

I folded.

The result is irrelevant of what happened next..but I won the SNG LOL

My..undoubtedly flawed..thinking was

- there are two shorter stacks who have to gamble before I do..itm rationale I suppose
- the large stack can eliminate me
- the pusher can cripple me
- I want to be the pusher with AK not the caller unless we are at the typical stage of a SNG/stack sizes where I am compelled to


I would be very interested to hear Longy's "correct" justification for folding

[Longy]

yes roi is the most important, but 60% of the prizepool is made up of making the money therefore itm should not be ignored.

ITM is just a by product of trying to achieve the highest possible ROI. We are trying to make the most money, right? Therefore all our decisions are based on improving our ROI.

Like as chipleader on the bubble we would just sit there and wait for the bubble to burst but no good sng players, shove any two cards as this improves our ROI but decreases our ITM. We never should be do anything to increase our ITM to decrease our ROI.

[UpTheMariners]

theres no shame in passing ak on the bubble either.

[UpTheMariners]

yes roi is the most important, but 60% of the prizepool is made up of making the money therefore itm should not be ignored.

ITM is just a by product of trying to achieve the highest possible ROI. We are trying to make the most money, right? Therefore all our decisions are based on improving our ROI.

Like as chipleader on the bubble we would just sit there and wait for the bubble to burst but no good sng players, shove any two cards as this improves our ROI but decreases our ITM. We never should be do anything to increase our ITM to decrease our ROI.

agreed

[Longy]

I folded.

The result is irrelevant of what happened next..but I won the SNG LOL

My..undoubtedly flawed..thinking was

- there are two shorter stacks who have to gamble before I do..itm rationale I suppose
- the large stack can eliminate me
- the pusher can cripple me
- I want to be the pusher with AK not the caller unless we are at the typical stage of a SNG/stack sizes where I am compelled to


I would be very interested to hear Longy's "correct" justification for folding

Well i think you have just said it somewhere in there.

Assuming someone gets knocked out in this hand , we have two shorter stacks than us on the bubble and at this level the chipleader will no doubt just dominate the table allowing us to make the money.

If we get our money in here the chip leader folds alot I think as our hand has to be jj+ ak+ here and he is likely to be miles behind our range and fold.If we do win we are still not chip leader on the bubble and therefore are likely to have to sit there while we bleed chips as the chipleader dominates the table and we can never call without aa or kk until the bubble bursts.

Of course the worst scenario which happens the most often is that the 3bettor in our hand doubles through the chip leader and we are forced to cling on in a non bubble situation with the two big stack shoving into our blinds.

I still get it in here but it is close imo.

[Longy]

theres no shame in passing ak on the bubble either.

None at all, done it many a time.

[ACE2M]

All in all day every day every time get big stack crush