MMR does NOT cause autism

[suzanne]

I have only read the last link and will read the rest tomorrow but what total poppycock

"In most of the 12 cases, the children’s ailments as described in The Lancet were different from their hospital and GP records. Although the research paper claimed that problems came on within days of the jab, in only one case did medical records suggest this was true, and in many of the cases medical concerns had been raised before the children were vaccinated."

When I noticed the change in my daughter I didnt take her to my GP as she was not "ill", she had had a temperature and was unwell for a few days after the jab which I was told could be expected and gave her Calpol. I put her behaviour down to her not being well and waited a few weeks hoping to see her back to her normal self but had this niggling doubt that something was not right. I contacted my health visitor who came to see her and she said "Im sure she will be fine, she has an age assessment in a couple of months so we will see how that goes".

The "age assessment" didnt go well as she was uncooperative.

Meanwhile my son was 3 years old (there is 18months between them) as it was suspected that he was autistic. I had an appointment with a child physiologist for him and had my daughter there too (no babysitter)...she spotted straight away that there was a BIGGER problem with my daughter but said until she was 2 years old she could not be referred. Nothing at all was on record until she got her own appointment 1 year after the jab. I said at the time that I thought it was the MMR that "changed" her but was told it was coincidence. This was all before the Wakefield study.

[MPOWER]

Not read this whole thread

Our first daughter was born 10/2002 this was quite big news (MMR) at he time so
we paid £310 for the seperate injections then got a call a year later for another
£290 for a booster. We then had another daughter in 09/2005. So £1000 spent.
Looking at there wesite today prices have come down alot now MMR is OK

Kids seem fine. I don't really know if they've benefited from this or not our Dr must be
happy making good margins on parents fears of whats best to do for their children.

If time was moved on I'd be £1000 better off. You do get a discount for more than one child   

We used wellcare but our Local GP is doing the injections himself now for around £140 a pop.
He was the welcare Dr in our area.




Regards

M

[cia260895]

surely for £140 as long as you can afford it there is no question imo

[kinboshi]

An interesting document produced by the charity Sense:

http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/pdf/MMRPolicyBriefing.pdf

[kinboshi]

Along the same lines of the media-generated hysteria regarding MMR, we've had the Cervarix scare following the death of  a teenager from something completely unrelated to the vaccine.  But still there are thousands of parents who are now reluctant to allow their daughters to receive the vaccine. 

Wonder if the media will be running in stories in 10 years time with the headline "Thousands of avoidable cancer deaths due to people listening to journalists rather than doctors"?

Good to see that some of the media is not aboard the 'anti-vax' bandwagon:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/columnists/routledge/2009/10/02/no-point-being-scared-of-vaccine-jabs-115875-21716061/

[kinboshi]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8483865.stm

The doctor who first suggested the link between MMR vaccinations and autism is to hear whether he is guilty of unethical research practices.

Dr Andrew Wakefield's 1998 Lancet study prompted one of the biggest health scares for years.

It caused vaccination rates to plummet, resulting in a rise in measles - but the findings have now been discredited.

However, the General Medical Council case has focused on how he carried out his research - which he stands by.

During the two-and-a-half years of hearings - one of the longest in the regulator's history - Dr Wakefield was accused of dishonesty and poor standards.

It was alleged he carried out invasive tests on children which were against their best clinical interests and paid children £5 for blood samples at his son's birthday party.

The GMC also heard that he failed to declare a conflict of interest as he was said to have been in the pay of solicitors acting for parents who believed their children had been harmed by MMR.
   
If the case is proven against Dr Wakefield, who now works and lives in the US, the GMC will then consider whether he is guilty of serious professional misconduct and if he should be struck off the medical register. However, that ruling is not expected for some months.

Dr Wakefield's case has been heard alongside those of two former colleagues, Professor John Walker-Smith and Professor Simon Murch.

They worked with Dr Wakefield at London's Royal Free Hospital at the time and were among the 13 authors of the study.

All three have denied the charges of professional misconduct.

[kinboshi]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article7006302.ece

Q&A: the Wakefield MMR scare

[suzanne]

There was never going to be any other outcome regardless as to what Dr Wakefield did or didnt discover because the compensation claims would have been HUGE. Who knows if the guy is a complete nutter or not but the claims that he paid £5 at a kids party for blood samples does seem a bit OTT dont you think? We will never know if his "scare" saved a few from autistm or not. I dont think we have heard the last on this subject.

 

Along the same lines of the media-generated hysteria regarding MMR, we've had the Cervarix scare following the death of  a teenager from something completely unrelated to the vaccine.  But still there are thousands of parents who are now reluctant to allow their daughters to receive the vaccine. 

Wonder if the media will be running in stories in 10 years time with the headline "Thousands of avoidable cancer deaths due to people listening to journalists rather than doctors"?

Good to see that some of the media is not aboard the 'anti-vax' bandwagon:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/columnists/routledge/2009/10/02/no-point-being-scared-of-vaccine-jabs-115875-21716061/

My daughter came home from school with a consent form for me to sign for her to have 3 injections to prevent her from having cervical cancer.... She says "You have to sign this form so I wont get cancer". I try to explain as best I can that not having the injection doesnt mean she will get cancer but I cant get that through to her. If I dont sign the form then she is going to die and it will be my fault. She is as I have mentioned before autistic and goes to a special school for autism so why was I not consulted before this form went out? I knew nothing about this jab until I read the letter. My daughter cried and cried as she thought she was going to die if I didnt sign the letter so in the end I felt I had no choice but to sign. A moment of weakness that I might regret someday.

[Jon MW]

There was never going to be any other outcome regardless as to what Dr Wakefield did or didnt discover because the compensation claims would have been HUGE. ...

Yes I think that's the reason why they decided that asbestos isn't harmful

What compensation claims?  Although there might be a lot of people numerically with autism, it's a small proportion of the population, if that then got narrowed down to the people who had the MMR jab - and then further narrowed down to those where a link could be shown, the result would be large payouts for a small number of people. In the greater scheme of things it really wouldn't be very expensive at all.

As for the cervical cancer injections - yes, journalists aren't the only one's who can create scare stories - but, are you trying to avoid every single medical treatment, just in case it might have harmful side effects?

[suzanne]

There was never going to be any other outcome regardless as to what Dr Wakefield did or didnt discover because the compensation claims would have been HUGE. ...

Yes I think that's the reason why they decided that asbestos isn't harmful

What compensation claims?  Although there might be a lot of people numerically with autism, it's a small proportion of the population, if that then got narrowed down to the people who had the MMR jab - and then further narrowed down to those where a link could be shown, the result would be large payouts for a small number of people. In the greater scheme of things it really wouldn't be very expensive at all.

As for the cervical cancer injections - yes, journalists aren't the only one's who can create scare stories - but, are you trying to avoid every single medical treatment, just in case it might have harmful side effects?

How would you narrow it down? I have already explained how I saw a change in my daughter within days after the MMR but none of it is on record.

IF Dr Wakefileds claims had have been proven then it would have opened doors for every parent with a "difficult child" to blame it on the MMR jab and they would be intitled to have their child investigated

That cost alone would have been MASSIVE to the NHS never mind the court costs.

As for my kids...I have had a few years to search the net and can only speak from a personal point of view. I would never say to any parent NOT to have the MMR as I beleive most kids will benefit from it. I bit my tongue and said nothing when it was time for my first grandson to have his injections because at the end of the day we love our kids for who they are and it was not my place to say anything.

And YES it was my intention to avoid as many medical treatments as possible as my kids seem to react very badly to any medication. I was speaking from a personal point of view and I am very angry that my daughter was brainwashed into having the Cervarix jab by her teachers.

I guess I am more disappointed at myself that I gave into the pressure and didnt fight hard enough, these injections should be a personnel choice and i felt like this one was taken out of my hands.

[kinboshi]

Why is UK the only country where there has been mass hysteria about the MMR vaccine and a link to autism?

Also, when did the hysteria really start in the UK? Was it when Wakefield's nonsense was first published? No.  It was when the Blairs refused to say if their child had been given MMR or not, and it became a big story in the UK media.

As to Wakefield paying kids for blood tests, why's that so hard to believe?  He also carried out invasive tests on childrenthat carried a great deal of risk. Completely unecessary tests and the parents weren't warned of the dangers.

[kinboshi]

There was never going to be any other outcome regardless as to what Dr Wakefield did or didnt discover because the compensation claims would have been HUGE. ...

Yes I think that's the reason why they decided that asbestos isn't harmful

What compensation claims?  Although there might be a lot of people numerically with autism, it's a small proportion of the population, if that then got narrowed down to the people who had the MMR jab - and then further narrowed down to those where a link could be shown, the result would be large payouts for a small number of people. In the greater scheme of things it really wouldn't be very expensive at all.

As for the cervical cancer injections - yes, journalists aren't the only one's who can create scare stories - but, are you trying to avoid every single medical treatment, just in case it might have harmful side effects?

Again, no fear of law suits in every other country that is still using MMR.

Some conspiracy that is.

[thetank]

I have already explained how I saw a change in my daughter within days after the MMR

Giving you the benefit of the doubt that this isn't confirmation bias at work here, it's worth bearing in mind that correlation does not necessarily imply causation.

Post hoc ergo proctor hoc (for the fans of Latin and/or The West Wing)

[suzanne]

I have already explained how I saw a change in my daughter within days after the MMR

Giving you the benefit of the doubt that this isn't confirmation bias at work here, it's worth bearing in mind that correlation does not necessarily imply causation.

Post hoc ergo proctor hoc (for the fans of Latin and/or The West Wing)

LOL talk in a language I understand Tom but yes I get what you mean. If I ever figure out how to put video on to You Tube I could show you footage of my daughter pre MMR jab toddling around saying 1..2 ...FREEEE and getting into everything. After her jab she didnt talk again till she was nearly 4yrs old, she would sit all day in her chair "flapping" and had no interest outside of her own little world..but like you said I have no proof it was the MMR that did it which is why I have no ulterior motive other than to tell what happened to me.

[suzanne]

Kin im just curious but why are you such a disbeliever that this or any other injection could not do harm to some?

We are all different...I am munching on a bag of peanuts right now and yet there are thousands of people that could die with just a trace of peanut in their food!!