6 Max...two hands for you

[TightEnd]

Am transitioning FR to 6 max

Interested in thoughts on the two hands below, and how to play optimally

all foes, miniscule PT information from tiny samples. Neither has got out of line in this, my first session with them, to date


Hand One
(6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em
Seat 1: carnage1629 ($237.30)
Seat 2: rastasam ($200)
Seat 3: Waveriders100 ($193)
Seat 4: fnogg ($213.60)
Seat 5: Natrykris ($285.60)
Seat 6: MorMorGul ($111.25)
MorMorGul posts the small blind of $1
carnage1629 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Natrykris [ ]
rastasam raises to $8
Waveriders100 folds
fnogg folds
Natrykris raises to $27
MorMorGul folds
carnage1629 folds
rastasam calls $19
*** FLOP *** [ ]
rastasam checks
Natrykris checks

Should I be betting here?

*** TURN *** [ ] []
rastasam checks
Natrykris ?

Definitely got to be (value) betting here right? How much?


Hand Two

(6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em
Seat 1: carnage1629 ($227.30)
Seat 2: rastasam ($200)
Seat 3: Waveriders100 ($188)
Seat 4: fnogg ($227.50)
Seat 5: Natrykris ($312.75)
Seat 6: MorMorGul ($117.90)
fnogg posts the small blind of $1
Natrykris posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Natrykris [ ]
MorMorGul folds
carnage1629 folds
rastasam folds
Waveriders100 calls $2
fnogg calls $1
Natrykris raises to $8
Waveriders100 calls $6
fnogg folds

Raise more OOP?

*** FLOP *** [ ]
Natrykris bets $18
Waveriders100 calls $18

*** TURN *** [ ] []
Natrykris bets $26
Waveriders100 (dwells, time bank....)
Waveriders100 calls $26

What are your thoughts on the size of my bet?

*** RIVER *** [ ] 

Natrykris checks

Too weak? prefer a blocker bet? or with straight and flush now out there check correct?

Conclusions of both hands in due course

[AlexMartin]

genuine hard, regular spots.

Hand 1 i doubt you have the image to be value betting this thin. He's hardly gonna call you w worse unless ur playing brain games. Ur turning a made hand into a bluff but there's nothing wrong with that.
Personally i think you can make a small bet on the turn and get him off his range, which 70+% of which is a small pp. Value-lookalike small bet bluff of $16 should do it on turn.

Hand 2  flop bet and pre is good. On turn its a check for pot control for me, his line is drawy and ur oop.

[doubleup]

Hand 1 I bet flop half pot (as I would with AQ on same flop) mainly because I don't want to get into a situation where I have to put a lot of consideration into the hand when multitabling for very little additional ev (if any) - this is obv a very bad spot for villain to bluff (even though you're begging for it), so the bet should end the hand most of the time.  If my flop bet gets called or raised, I'll give up.  As played I bet half pot on the turn and prob do the same on a safe river as I desperately don't want to show villain my weak play on the flop 

Hand 2 pre-flop depends on villain.  Some players constantly call raises from the blinds after limping and even betting 6bbs wont shake them, so betting a bit bigger can sometimes put you in a tougher position down the hand.  As far as this hand is concerned I honestly would want to give up on this flop lol.  I prob do c bet, but give up on the turn as I am really struggling to find a hand that I now beat - his limp on the button is surely a hand that hits this flop?.  He could easily have 2 pr and be worried about you having TT.  I am folding to any sort of bet on the river.  Having said all that my major leak atm is exactly these situations.......

[ACE2M]

check in hand 1 for me, very unlikely to make money with a bet, hope to pick off a bluff on the river or check it down.

hand 2, fold to any sort of substantial action, your not beating anything, and he has to be an idiot to bluff. I think your turn bet is too small, bet the pot or almost pot

[AlexMartin]

check in hand 1 for me, very unlikely to make money with a bet, hope to pick off a bluff on the river or check it down.

hand 2, fold to any sort of substantial action, your not beating anything, and he has to be an idiot to bluff. I think your turn bet is too small, bet the pot or almost pot

gr8 spot for oppo to bluff. Call him once in a while tighty just so you dotn become exploitable.

[Longy]

Hand 1

Preflop is totally standard. I check, check and call or fold river depending on the opponent. Our hand is a bluff catcher all hands that beat us, have us drawing to 2 out (6 on the turn) and we have all small pps drawing to 2 outs.

Hand 2

I make it 10-12 preflop, i always make it abit more oop.  Firing the flop is standard i make my cbets alot smaller to about 3/4 of the pot so about 12 here is fine, like doubleup i would do this with two overs as well.

I just give up on the turn we are so rarely ahead and when we are villain often doesn't bother bluffing us off our hand.

[doubleup]

I wouldn't mind a bit more chat from everyone about checking the flop in hand 1.  I really wouldn't like a load of notes being taken "3 bet qq and checked down akx flop".  I would have thought that this is going to lead to a very weaktight image.  I would want to be 3 betting a lot of hands in position vs the right players, some of these will be air on ace high flops - doesn't this image make life more difficult in the way of balancing v bets and bluffs.  If villain knows that we bet air as well as made hands, we might be able to induce a more controlled bluff catch, by 1/2 pot betting flop, checking turn and only having to decide to call a river bet.   

I'm prob wrong lol but would appreciate some more logic from the checkfloppers.

   

[Longy]

I wouldn't mind a bit more chat from everyone about checking the flop in hand 1.  I really wouldn't like a load of notes being taken "3 bet qq and checked down akx flop".  I would have thought that this is going to lead to a very weaktight image.  I would want to be 3 betting a lot of hands in position vs the right players, some of these will be air on ace high flops - doesn't this image make life more difficult in the way of balancing v bets and bluffs.  If villain knows that we bet air as well as made hands, we might be able to induce a more controlled bluff catch, by 1/2 pot betting flop, checking turn and only having to decide to call a river bet.   

I'm prob wrong lol but would appreciate some more logic from the checkfloppers.

   

To not get labelled as weak tight (though really don't care what others think as such) we simply balance our range in these situations by checking other hands that hit. I like to check hands like aq/aj here as well as im not worried if I don't get my full stack in as im normally beat if that happens.

Btw I think balancing ranges and how image is perceived especially in 3bet pots is all a bit overrated at small stakes especially on soft european based sites. Firstly getting a read on how someone plays 3 bet pots takes a long time and therefore the odd hand can be massively misleading, plus how many people actually really notice and more importantly exploit it.

Im much more for concentrating on fundamentals and i don't think betting here has a lot of value. You get called by better don't fold out worse imo. Whereas catching a bluff does get some value from hand that is now 3rd pair in affect