Micro Cash Game Hand

[Graham C]

So I've decided yet again to give cash a bash and sticking to some vague sort of bankroll management rule, I've started out at 10c/20c.  I'm playing on Blonde and the idea is to build up playing within the 'rules'. 

Not much interesting happens at these levels, but I liked this hand.

Thoughts?

GAME #841624895: Texas Hold'em NL $0.10/$0.20 2008-02-12 23:05:15
Table "TURBO" Lira
Seat 1: rafleur2 ($8.38 in chips)
Seat 3: SHUT21 ($17.49 in chips)
Seat 5: SiloGraham ($18.71 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: errenne ($10.69 in chips)
Seat 8: damnbastard666 ($19.90 in chips)
Seat 10: Paws70 ($12.15 in chips)
errenne: Post SB $0.10
damnbastard666: Post BB $0.20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SiloGraham [ ]
Paws70: Fold
rafleur2: Call $0.20
SHUT21: Raise $0.40
SiloGraham: Call $0.40 - would you fold/raise here?  I called, I like QTs it's a nice connecting hand and worth a limp, besides, it's not a good post if I folded.
errenne: Call $0.30
damnbastard666: Fold
rafleur2: Call $0.20
*** FLOP *** [ ]
errenne: Check
rafleur2: Check
SHUT21: Check
SiloGraham: ??


I'll post some more tomorrow afternoon

[B/FsCousinKev]

This is excellent Silo cheers, so i like the pre-flop call for your reasons,i dont think i would raise with the early limper and the initial raiser, onto the flop with the three players all checked in this spot i "think" i would like to eliminate the limper and the sb with a raise,will $1.30 do the trick? i not sure about percentages but i think your doing ok with the top pair and flush draw going heads up?


Kev.

[byronkincaid]

basically you wanna try to do everything poss to get all in on the flop here, you have massive equity against a range that is also happy to get AI. bet somewhere near pot and if you get raised reraise. if you get called (especially by more than one player) then you're gonna wanna slow down on the turn cos someone's likely to have a better Q, a higher flush or a set or something. whereas on the flop no matter what they've got you've got outs. try to get your money in when your percentage chance of winning the hand is good, slow down when your percentage chance of winning the hand ain't so good.

[Longy]

I would fold preflop but calling on the button with q10s is not a mistake as such but we have to be careful preflop not to hang ourselves with 1 pair.

As byron says on the flop we want to get to it all in somehow. As its checked round to us bet the pot and be happy if we get raised.

[boldie]

I would fold preflop but calling on the button with q10s is not a mistake as such but we have to be careful preflop not to hang ourselves with 1 pair.

As byron says on the flop we want to get to it all in somehow. As its checked round to us bet the pot and be happy if we get raised.

that sounds about right to me.

I don't like calling a raise with Q10 as you're likely to be dominated when you hit any of your two cards. A nice connecting hand is 6-7/6-8 suited, Q-10 doesn't qualify for me.

Having called it pre you have to try to get the money in on the flop. Bet out here and be happy if you're re-raised indeed

[Graham C]

So perhaps calling was a mistake, a weakness, I like QTs, I'll investigate if long term it's +EV for me or not, although I don't have a great sample size atm.

Anyway, the call was made and along came the flop and the hand continued.

SiloGraham: Bet $1.30
errenne: Call $1.30
rafleur2: Fold
SHUT21: Fold
*** TURN *** [ ]
errenne: Check
SiloGraham:??

I had a quick look at my stats on errenne at this point.  He's running at VPIP at 65, PFR of about 16 and going to the river a fair bit.  It's fair enough that I only have a few hands on him, but it's a common theme at the micro stakes that people are calling with anything remotely resembling a draw to the end.

Thoughts on what to do on the turn?

[boldie]

bet pot again. His check call on the flop smells of a FD and now is the time to get the pot won. Don't give him odds to draw to his flush (although youcould argue that if he has the FD you're likely to be ahead so you want him to call.

Either way I bet the pot here. 4$. (snap call an all-in obviously as you'd only be drawing dead to the nut flush draw)

[byronkincaid]

if you had 100BB stacks I think this is a check. as he has half a stack and looks to be a complete calling station I think you should bet here.

[Longy]

Against a solid player deeper here i would check behind. Mainly as we often fold out worse hands and better hands call. Im doing this mainly as i can get value on the river even if my hand doesn't improve from a weaker q or pocket pair. This is a good example of pot control imo.

As this guy looks like a complete calling station there is 3 streets of value to be had here, I would bet about 3 and the rest on the river.

[Graham C]

I played the turn really bad I think and I checked behind.  TBH, I didn't like the ace.  I have only a few stats on this guy and it would surprise me to see him calling a flop bet with a fairly strong ace despite missing.  I guess he would have bet the ace if he'd been waiting for it though and I can't be afraid every time I see an ace.  Like I said though, I think I played the turn really badly and a bet here may have taken down the pot there and then.

Here's to the river with the history in full up to there.

GAME #841624895: Texas Hold'em NL $0.10/$0.20 2008-02-12 23:05:15
Table "TURBO" Lira
Seat 1: rafleur2 ($8.38 in chips)
Seat 3: SHUT21 ($17.49 in chips)
Seat 5: SiloGraham ($18.71 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: errenne ($10.69 in chips)
Seat 8: damnbastard666 ($19.90 in chips)
Seat 10: Paws70 ($12.15 in chips)
errenne: Post SB $0.10
damnbastard666: Post BB $0.20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to errenne [xx]
Dealt to SiloGraham [ ]
Paws70: Fold
rafleur2: Call $0.20
SHUT21: Raise $0.40
SiloGraham: Call $0.40
errenne: Call $0.30
damnbastard666: Fold
rafleur2: Call $0.20
*** FLOP *** [ ]
errenne: Check
rafleur2: Check
SHUT21: Check
SiloGraham: Bet $1.30
errenne: Call $1.30
rafleur2: Fold
SHUT21: Fold
*** TURN *** [ ]
errenne: Check
SiloGraham: Check
*** RIVER *** [ ]
errenne: Bet $1.20
SiloGraham: ??

[byronkincaid]

call, he could easily have a busted draw

[B/FsCousinKev]

Is there any chance we could reraise on the river here, 3/4 pot bet ?


Iam guessing they had a pocket pair like 77 88 ?

[Longy]

call, he could easily have a busted draw

Indeed only have to be good 1 in 4 times to make the call profitable.

Is there any chance we could reraise on the river here, 3/4 pot bet ?


Iam guessing they had a pocket pair like 77 88 ?

Im not a fan of raising here, we fold out virtually every hand that we are beating but get called by a load of hands that beat us.

[B/FsCousinKev]

makes scense about the reraise,what do you mean when you say we only have to be good 1 in 4 times to make the call profitable ?

[Longy]

In fact i was making a guess i think it might be less than 1 in 4 times.

Its a case of working out your pot odds, on the river the pot stands at $5.4 (less rake). It is 1.20 to call.

So if we win this once in 5 times (1 win, 4 losses)

The 4 losses will add up to $4.80 total (4 by 1.2), but the one win will gain $5.40 making a profit of $.6 long term.