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Who's the Greatest?
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February 26, 2008, 04:45:57 PM »
Who would you consider the best sportsman/woman in the world at the moment? What about of all time?
This is obviously a very subjective topic, but what constitutes greatness? Is it longevity, total dominance of a period in a particular sport, beating a group of very tough pretenders for the throne - or a combination of these and other things?
Someone mentioned Tiger Woods as the greatest sportsman of all time in another thread. I'm not a huge golf fan, but I know he's pretty good (from what I'm told). But is he the greatest at the moment (never mind all time)?
What places someone like Tiger Woods above, say Haile Gebrselassie - who's broken 20+ World records over distances ranging from 2,000K to the marathon? Or what about Michael Jordan, Lance Armstrong, Michael Schumacher, Roger Federer, Shane Warne, or another host of names people could mention?
To be great do they need to transcend the sport they excel in, or just be the best at what they do? Ali would tell all that listen that he was the greatest, but was he?
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February 26, 2008, 04:52:34 PM »
How about a shout for Sergei Bubka or Gary Kasparov or even our very own Sir Steve Redgrave. What he won over such a long time period must put him up there.
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Bubka was a great, as was Sir Steve.
I don't count chess or poker as a sport (for me sport must include a physical element, even if it's throwing a dart, pulling a trigger or steering a wheel), so I'd discount Kasparov - although he is most certainly one of (if not the) best chess players of all time.
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February 26, 2008, 04:57:58 PM »
I bet you chess is more tiring than the pole vault and takes more physical stamina
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Quote from: 77dave on February 26, 2008, 04:57:58 PM
I bet you chess is more tiring than the pole vault and takes more physical stamina
Chess can get quite tiring (as can poker) - but so can sitting at my desk for 8 hours a day in the office. That's certainly not a sport.
I've played against Kasparov, when I was about 10 years old. He was playing 50 of us simultaneously. He hammered me, but I wasn't alone. He won 49 and drew one game.
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Quote from: kinboshi on February 26, 2008, 04:45:57 PM
Someone mentioned Tiger Woods as the greatest sportsman of all time in another thread. I'm not a huge golf fan, but I know he's pretty good (from what I'm told). But is he the greatest at the moment (never mind all time)?
In terms of how much better you are than everyone else then I'd certainly say Tiger will be hailed at the end of his career as the best person at anything, ever. Being consistently just better than everyone else at whatever it is you do.
No mention yet of Don Bradman, who is the other person that springs to mind as being just so much better than everyone else at what he does.
Things like running, cycling and rowing don't really count as there is so little skill. I wouldn't count chess as a sport either, even though Gary Kasparov was the best in my lifetime. When I was a kid I actually played him once in some simultaneous 'look how good I am at beating kiddies' showoff-fest. I let him off with a draw in our game as he begged me not to show him up in front of the other 49 retards he mashed up.
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February 26, 2008, 05:10:32 PM »
I have played him as well i was about 12 in Chester his record that day was 47 wins and 3 draws
Still quite amazing sport or not
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Quote from: AndrewT on February 26, 2008, 05:08:32 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on February 26, 2008, 04:45:57 PM
Someone mentioned Tiger Woods as the greatest sportsman of all time in another thread. I'm not a huge golf fan, but I know he's pretty good (from what I'm told). But is he the greatest at the moment (never mind all time)?
In terms of how much better you are than everyone else then I'd certainly say Tiger will be hailed at the end of his career as the best person at anything, ever. Being consistently just better than everyone else at whatever it is you do.
Wasn't Singh ranked as world number 1 sometime over the past 5 years or so?
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No mention yet of Don Bradman, who is the other person that springs to mind as being just so much better than everyone else at what he does.
Best batsman, arguably. Best cricketer?
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Things like running, cycling and rowing don't really count as there is so little skill.
Surely they are more 'pure' as sports. Less technical nonsense in the way?
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I wouldn't count chess as a sport either, even though Gary Kasparov was the best in my lifetime.
When I was a kid I actually played him once in some simultaneous 'look how good I am at beating kiddies' showoff-fest. I let him off with a draw in our game as he begged me not to show him up in front of the other 49 retards he mashed up.
That's amazing. If it was the same one I played in you've done well to recover your eyesight and you've aged well.
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Quote from: kinboshi on February 26, 2008, 05:14:29 PM
Quote from: AndrewT on February 26, 2008, 05:08:32 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on February 26, 2008, 04:45:57 PM
Someone mentioned Tiger Woods as the greatest sportsman of all time in another thread. I'm not a huge golf fan, but I know he's pretty good (from what I'm told). But is he the greatest at the moment (never mind all time)?
In terms of how much better you are than everyone else then I'd certainly say Tiger will be hailed at the end of his career as the best person at anything, ever. Being consistently just better than everyone else at whatever it is you do.
Wasn't Singh ranked as world number 1 sometime over the past 5 years or so?
Yes, that was in 2005 after Tiger made adjustments to his swing which saw his form suffer. He said his swing at the time was messing up either his knee or shoulder and he was changing it to avoid long-term damage. Looks like it worked.
I did read a while back that, such was Tiger's dominance, in terms of world rankings points 2nd place Phil Mickleson was closer to the guy in 1000th place than he was to Tiger.
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Quote from: AndrewT on February 26, 2008, 05:08:32 PM
Things like running, cycling and rowing don't really count as there is so little skill.
Surely they are more 'pure' as sports. Less technical nonsense in the way?
Surely the 'technical nonsense' is what we're discussing - who is best at the technical nonsense.
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I wouldn't count chess as a sport either, even though Gary Kasparov was the best in my lifetime.
When I was a kid I actually played him once in some simultaneous 'look how good I am at beating kiddies' showoff-fest. I let him off with a draw in our game as he begged me not to show him up in front of the other 49 retards he mashed up.
That's amazing. If it was the same one I played in you've done well to recover your eyesight and you've aged well.
Why thank you.
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Re: Who's the Greatest?
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February 26, 2008, 05:48:00 PM »
At the moment - Tiger Woods.
All Time - No idea but if someone says Ali I'll scream
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Quote from: Bazzaboy on February 26, 2008, 05:48:00 PM
At the moment - Tiger Woods.
All Time - No idea but if someone says Ali I'll scream
Ali?
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February 26, 2008, 06:28:23 PM »
I hate these things because I often find it hard enough naming things like an all time XI, there are people who would be considered great for different reasons but in the same breath you could say they weren't so great maybe due to politics, lifestyle etc.
For me I am going to pick a few people, who I class as greats/legends call them what you like. And I am going to pick people I have seen perform and people who I think excelled in their particular area.
Football - Henrik Larrson - is an absolute idol for me the best player I have seen in a Celtic jersey. His lifestyle choices where spot on and a model professional and done everything he ever said he would.
Weightlifting - Naim Suleymanoglu - This guy was absolutely awesome some of the older blondes might remember him as Naim Suleimanov he competed for Bulgaria in Olympic weightlifting before defecting to Turkey. He smashed records on a staggering 46 occasions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naim_Suleymanoglu
In athletics for me the greatest of his generation was Michael Johnson - Don't think this has to be quantified in anyway.
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February 26, 2008, 06:30:49 PM »
michael johnson is a good shout
so dominaint also he has the fastest 100m of alltime 8.xx secs the middle part of his 200m
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Quote from: GlasgowBandit on February 26, 2008, 06:28:23 PM
Weightlifting - Naim Suleymanoglu - This guy was absolutely awesome some of the older blondes might remember him as Naim Suleimanov he competed for Bulgaria in Olympic weightlifting before defecting to Turkey. He smashed records on a staggering 46 occasions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naim_Suleymanoglu
I remember David Vine talking about Suleymanoglu's physique. Saying that the length of his shin was the same as the length of his thigh, which was the same length as his torso, and his upper arm, and lower arm. This gave him the perfect frame for weightlighting in terms of levers or something.
He was a legend. Mutlu came after him and did pretty well too. Great theatre watching these fellas at the Olympics.
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February 26, 2008, 06:36:03 PM »
Tiger is obviously the best golfer around right now, but he's got a long way to go to be considered better than Nicklaus.
Tiger will almost certainly win more majors,but Nicklaus' record of top 3/5 finishes is amazing.
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