How much is in the pot...?

[kinboshi]

There's a rule that's enforced at DTD, but one that I've not often seen enforced elsewhere (in fact quite the opposite).

I'm talking about the dealer not announcing how much is in the pot. 

I can see the reason why, in terms of the dealer doing their job as a dealer and nothing more, but sometimes it's difficult to see what's in the pot (if there are several people all in for example and there are side pots).  I'm not 100% on what the rules are, but I think the dealer is supposed to make the chips visible but nothing more.  Is this right?

Is it really the end of the world if someone asks what's in the pot and they count it for them?  Like I said, at other card rooms I've played, the dealer is usually very vocal in announcing the pot size, at times before they are even asked.  This isn't right, and of course it's worse if they then declare something like "...and it's only another 27 to call".  This is blatantly not right.

You can ask how much the bet is (because sometimes you can't hear a player's announcement when they bet, and a larger chip has been used to represent a smaller bet), so why not the pot size?

[byronkincaid]

if you read the McTool/Channing tiff thread on THM forum not only will you find out the answer to your question you will probably also get a good chuckle out of it as well

[tikay]

In No-Limit, the Dealer should NEVER tell you, even if you ask, how much is in the pot, nor should he/she stack the pot in easily countable stacks. They can, however, "spread the chips" such that you can see better. It's the players responsibility to keep track, & remain alert to the Pot Size. And if they don't, they ain't paying attention.

This does not apply, of course, in Pot-Limit.

[kinboshi]

if you read the McTool/Channing tiff thread on THM forum not only will you find out the answer to your question you will probably also get a good chuckle out of it as well

'Twas that thread that got me thinking!!

[kinboshi]

In No-Limit, the Dealer should NEVER tell you, even if you ask, how much is in the pot, nor should he/she stack the pot in easily countable stacks. They can, however, "spread the chips" such that you can see better. It's the players responsibility to keep track, & remain alert to the Pot Size. And if they don't, they ain't paying attention.

This does not apply, of course, in Pot-Limit.

OK, that makes sense.

Does that also apply if there are side pots, and so it might be difficult (if not impossible) to keep track of what's where?

[tikay]

In No-Limit, the Dealer should NEVER tell you, even if you ask, how much is in the pot, nor should he/she stack the pot in easily countable stacks. They can, however, "spread the chips" such that you can see better. It's the players responsibility to keep track, & remain alert to the Pot Size. And if they don't, they ain't paying attention.

This does not apply, of course, in Pot-Limit.

OK, that makes sense.

Does that also apply if there are side pots, and so it might be difficult (if not impossible) to keep track of what's where?

Yup. It's the PLAYERS responsibility to know these things. I bet you've never heard Lord Wernick, or Dave Colclough, ask "how much is in the Pot?". Because they are proper players, doing what they should be doing - watching tricks.

[kinboshi]

My next question then, is why isn't this rule enforced anywhere else?  In fact, in my limited live experience, I've never seen it implemented anywhere other than DTD.  Is it purely a matter of training and adherence to rules by the dealers?

[tikay]

My next question then, is why isn't this rule enforced anywhere else?  In fact, in my limited live experience, I've never seen it implemented anywhere other than dtd.  Is it purely a matter of training and adherence to rules by the dealers?

Correct.

[ripple11]

if you read the McTool/Channing tiff thread on THM forum not only will you find out the answer to your question you will probably also get a good chuckle out of it as well

'Twas that thread that got me thinking!!

thanks!....missed this little gem earlier

[M3boy]

My next question then, is why isn't this rule enforced anywhere else?  In fact, in my limited live experience, I've never seen it implemented anywhere other than dtd.  Is it purely a matter of training and adherence to rules by the dealers?

It is enforced everywhere ive played

[celtic]

Are you allowed to ask another player at the table how much is in the pot?

[M3boy]

Are you allowed to ask another player at the table how much is in the pot?

You can "ask" whatever you like

Weather they tell you though is another story

[Graham C]

Places I've played, some players have rummaged through the pot and physically counted it!  It has been pointed out to them that they can't do that though.

[tikay]

Are you allowed to ask another player at the table how much is in the pot?

Yes - but it would be wholly improper for them to answer. Unless they are in the Pot, but remember, they answer they give is NOT binding, & you could be seriously misled. Room for a serious moody there....

[kinboshi]

My next question then, is why isn't this rule enforced anywhere else?  In fact, in my limited live experience, I've never seen it implemented anywhere other than dtd.  Is it purely a matter of training and adherence to rules by the dealers?

It is enforced everywhere ive played

Like I've said, I've not played much live poker.  It certainly hasn't been enforced when I've played at Luton or Cardiff though.