Someone please explain this call.......

[ACE2M]

From UTG i'd tighten it to 66+ 10Js+ A10os+ A8s+ j9s+ QJos+ K10s+

He has 5,500 with blinds at 300-600. Surely this range, including J9s+  and any two paints by the looks of it etc at a full table is far too wide?

thats what he should be shoving

[ACE2M]

i have to admit here that i hadn't read the UTG part, was in my head as a cut off shove for some reason, UTG shove very marginal call, cut off shove = snap call for me.

I ask you again, what ranges are you expecting unknown players in a $100 rebuy tournament to shove? You can answer:

- UTG 10 handed
- CO 10 handed

Thanks.

so you have my ranges, whats your opinion?

[ACE2M]

also, what range would you lot call with?

[AlexMartin]

i have to admit here that i hadn't read the UTG part, was in my head as a cut off shove for some reason, UTG shove very marginal call, cut off shove = snap call for me.

I ask you again, what ranges are you expecting unknown players in a $100 rebuy tournament to shove? You can answer:

- UTG 10 handed
- CO 10 handed

Thanks.

what a pointless excercise.

[ACE2M]

i have to admit here that i hadn't read the UTG part, was in my head as a cut off shove for some reason, UTG shove very marginal call, cut off shove = snap call for me.

I ask you again, what ranges are you expecting unknown players in a $100 rebuy tournament to shove? You can answer:

- UTG 10 handed
- CO 10 handed

Thanks.

what a pointless excercise.

whole thing was pointless, wish i'd never posted, only tighty and longy weighed in with anything slightly constructive, all the pros/experts had absolutely fuck all of merit to say.

[I KNOW IT]

i have to admit here that i hadn't read the UTG part, was in my head as a cut off shove for some reason, UTG shove very marginal call, cut off shove = snap call for me.

I ask you again, what ranges are you expecting unknown players in a $100 rebuy tournament to shove? You can answer:

- UTG 10 handed
- CO 10 handed

Thanks.

what a pointless excercise.

whole thing was pointless, wish i'd never posted, only tighty and longy weighed in with anything slightly constructive, all the pros/experts had absolutely fuck all of merit to say.

LOL

[I KNOW IT]

Calling off a 1/3rd of my stack from an UTG shove with KQ o/s with 2 players still to act isnt a good move imo. What happens if one of the others now shoves behind? Do I fold? Thats why I think its a bad call.

Or have we now changed this discussion into a call from the BB with KQo/s? Im confused.

[ACE2M]

Calling off a 1/3rd of my stack from an UTG shove with KQ o/s with 2 players still to act isnt a good move imo. What happens if one of the others now shoves behind? Do I fold? Thats why I think its a bad call.

Or have we now changed this discussion into a call from the BB with KQo/s? Im confused.

yes, i totally hijacked the thread, apologies op.

[Longy]

i have to admit here that i hadn't read the UTG part, was in my head as a cut off shove for some reason, UTG shove very marginal call, cut off shove = snap call for me.

I ask you again, what ranges are you expecting unknown players in a $100 rebuy tournament to shove? You can answer:

- UTG 10 handed
- CO 10 handed

Thanks.

what a pointless excercise.

whole thing was pointless, wish i'd never posted, only tighty and longy weighed in with anything slightly constructive, all the pros/experts had absolutely fuck all of merit to say.

Lol such is PHA mate.

I thought i had posted my range, I ran it through an ICM calculator using chip equity as guide, which is pretty much sensible. I had KQ breaking even EV wise against a person pushing roughly perfect UTG range which was something like A8s+,A9o+,j10s,qjs,qjo,kj+,22+

As said before people don't push this wide as a rule, so I think folding is pretty much the best option here in the bb.

[I KNOW IT]

i have to admit here that i hadn't read the UTG part, was in my head as a cut off shove for some reason, UTG shove very marginal call, cut off shove = snap call for me.

I ask you again, what ranges are you expecting unknown players in a $100 rebuy tournament to shove? You can answer:

- UTG 10 handed
- CO 10 handed

Thanks.

what a pointless excercise.

whole thing was pointless, wish i'd never posted, only tighty and longy weighed in with anything slightly constructive, all the pros/experts had absolutely fuck all of merit to say.

Lol such is PHA mate.

I thought i had posted my range, I ran it through an ICM calculator using chip equity as guide, which is pretty much sensible. I had KQ breaking even EV wise against a person pushing roughly perfect UTG range which was something like A8s+,A9o+,j10s,qjs,qjo,kj+,22+

As said before people don't push this wide as a rule, so I think folding is pretty much the best option here in the bb.

Are ICM calculators used for MTTS or is it  just for single table tournys and sit & go's?

[Longy]

Are ICM calculators used for MTTS or is it  just for single table tournys and sit & go's?

ICM calcs are mainly used for sngs, thats why I have mine as sngs have spots in them around the bubble that are very counterintuative.

In MTT's early on cEV= $EV so i just switched the calc to use cEV.

MTT's are analysable in ICM calcs but the problem is that you have such weird payout structures/number of runners that it is hard to get a perfect answer.

*cEV= what play gains the most chips long term
$EV= what play earns the best average payout long term.

[I KNOW IT]

Are ICM calculators used for MTTS or is it  just for single table tournys and sit & go's?

ICM calcs are mainly used for sngs, thats why I have mine as sngs have spots in them around the bubble that are very counterintuative.

In MTT's early on cEV= $EV so i just switched the calc to use cEV.

MTT's are analysable in ICM calcs but the problem is that you have such weird payout structures/number of runners that it is hard to get a perfect answer.

*cEV= what play gains the most chips long term
$EV= what play earns the best average payout long term.

Thanks for that.

[GlasgowBandit]

What if caller here pushes is that a better play?

And what range of cards do you need to be calling here?

AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK?

[I KNOW IT]

What if caller here pushes is that a better play?

I think getting involved here with KQ o/s vs UTG shove with  players still to act behind is bad anyway you decide to play it

[Sunday8pm]

This is why