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« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2008, 04:57:54 PM »
Quote from: ACE2M on March 12, 2008, 04:43:46 PM
Quote from: Longy on March 12, 2008, 04:22:53 PM
Quote from: ACE2M on March 12, 2008, 04:10:16 PM
in the BB i snap call here

With kq?

yep, everytime.

against an m of 4/5 (and assuming a competent player) KQ plays well against his shove range, with the money already in i probably need about 45% equity and think i'm probably getting somewhere around 50%.
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« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2008, 06:14:20 PM »
Quote from: ACE2M on March 12, 2008, 04:10:16 PM
in the BB i snap call here

i snap pass
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« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2008, 06:42:41 PM »
Quote from: ACE2M on March 12, 2008, 04:57:54 PM
Quote from: ACE2M on March 12, 2008, 04:43:46 PM
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in the BB i snap call here

With kq?

yep, everytime.

against an m of 4/5 (and assuming a competent player) KQ plays well against his shove range, with the money already in i probably need about 45% equity and think i'm probably getting somewhere around 50%.



I think your overestimating peoples shoving ranges utg. Only the real icm/ harrington players are going to be shoving wide enough for this to be a flip. Even then its quite close.
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« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2008, 06:56:36 PM »
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Quote from: ACE2M on March 12, 2008, 04:10:16 PM
in the BB i snap call here

i snap pass

why?
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« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2008, 07:34:20 PM »
its a horrible call for 1/3 of your chips.
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« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2008, 07:35:42 PM »
passing when you are behind is good poker?
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« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2008, 07:37:51 PM »
not always, but in the situation i think it is.
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« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2008, 10:21:57 PM »
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in the BB i snap call here

SWEET!
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« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2008, 10:34:57 PM »
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Quote from: ACE2M on March 12, 2008, 04:10:16 PM
in the BB i snap call here

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« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2008, 12:28:23 AM »
i'm right i think, in the long run the call is a winning play with KQ.

it's a $100 re buy so i am assuming a decent level of player who will shove the correct range most of the time.
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« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2008, 08:09:31 AM »
Quote from: ACE2M on March 13, 2008, 12:28:23 AM
i'm right i think, in the long run the call is a winning play with KQ.

it's a $100 re buy so i am assuming a decent level of player who will shove the correct range most of the time.



 

What are you expecting them to shove from early position on a 10 / 9 handed table then?
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« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2008, 09:59:54 AM »
i have to admit here that i hadn't read the UTG part, was in my head as a cut off shove for some reason, UTG shove very marginal call, cut off shove = snap call for me.
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« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2008, 10:18:46 AM »
Quote from: ACE2M on March 13, 2008, 09:59:54 AM
i have to admit here that i hadn't read the UTG part, was in my head as a cut off shove for some reason, UTG shove very marginal call, cut off shove = snap call for me.
I ask you again, what ranges are you expecting unknown players in a $100 rebuy tournament to shove? You can answer:

- UTG 10 handed
- CO 10 handed

Thanks.
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« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2008, 10:30:28 AM »
Quote from: LuckyLloyd on March 13, 2008, 10:18:46 AM
Quote from: ACE2M on March 13, 2008, 09:59:54 AM
i have to admit here that i hadn't read the UTG part, was in my head as a cut off shove for some reason, UTG shove very marginal call, cut off shove = snap call for me.
I ask you again, what ranges are you expecting unknown players in a $100 rebuy tournament to shove? You can answer:

- UTG 10 handed
- CO 10 handed

Thanks.

a competent harrington player from the cut off, 22+ 78s+ A8os + A2s +  97s+  109os+ K7s+ Q9s+

From UTG i'd tighten it to 66+ 10Js+ A10os+ A8s+ j9s+ QJos+ K10s+
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« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2008, 10:39:38 AM »
Quote from: ACE2M on March 13, 2008, 10:30:28 AM




From UTG i'd tighten it to 66+ 10Js+ A10os+ A8s+ j9s+ QJos+ K10s+


He has 5,500 with blinds at 300-600. Surely this range, including J9s+  and any two paints by the looks of it etc at a full table is far too wide?
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