what do you do here?

[boldie]

If UTG is any sort of player he open shoves here, no?

There's no way I'm raising with Q10 here.  If UTG is any sort of player he has limped hoping for a raise so he can shove.

If UTG is any sort of player he wouldn't limp here with a  monster as it says "I have a monster everybody" therefore you have to go by how he/she has played up to this point.

If they have been crap up to this point..it's safe to assume they still are and can find a fold here. Most players who limp UTG when they have less than 10BBs are terrible players so won't have a monster here.

[PocketLady]

Since when can terrible players fold?  We don't have any info on either player.  If he is shit then a raise may force a fold, or he may think "**** it" and lump the lot in with his KJ, but we don't have that information.

Claw what was your read on UTG?

[boldie]

Since when can terrible players fold?  We don't have any info on either player.  If he is shit then a raise may force a fold, or he may think "**** it" and lump the lot in with his KJ, but we don't have that information.

OK. Claw..was the player any good or one of those weak passive people that believe they are`"Tight pre-flop, agressive after the flop"?

[Claw75]

I'd only been sat at this table for two rounds so no real read on any of the players.  As it happens I thought the same as you Danni - a call or push is pretty much the same here with the size of UTG's stack.  I did consider getting out of the way tbh and all I'd have lost was my bb and ante, leaving me with a healthy stack to use once the button had passed (which is why I posted in on here).  As it was I called, UTG thought for a bit and pushed, and I had to call him, of course.

Re the suggestions about raising pre-flop - didn't enter my mind and I wouldn't do it if the same situation occurred.  Take the limper out of the equation and I'm almost definitely raising.

[GlasgowBandit]

I'd only been sat at this table for two rounds so no real read on any of the players.  As it happens I thought the same as you Danni - a call or push is pretty much the same here with the size of UTG's stack.  I did consider getting out of the way tbh and all I'd have lost was my bb and ante, leaving me with a healthy stack to use once the button had passed (which is why I posted in on here).  As it was I called, UTG thought for a bit and pushed, and I had to call him, of course.

Re the suggestions about raising pre-flop - didn't enter my mind and I wouldn't do it if the same situation occurred.  Take the limper out of the equation and I'm almost definitely raising.

Did you win the pot?
What did the limper eventually have?

[Claw75]

I'd only been sat at this table for two rounds so no real read on any of the players.  As it happens I thought the same as you Danni - a call or push is pretty much the same here with the size of UTG's stack.  I did consider getting out of the way tbh and all I'd have lost was my bb and ante, leaving me with a healthy stack to use once the button had passed (which is why I posted in on here).  As it was I called, UTG thought for a bit and pushed, and I had to call him, of course.

Re the suggestions about raising pre-flop - didn't enter my mind and I wouldn't do it if the same situation occurred.  Take the limper out of the equation and I'm almost definitely raising.

Did you win the pot?
What did the limper eventually have?

I lost the pot and the side pot

limper had AT.  Not sure if he would have passed to a pre-flop raise, but I fancied his hand was a little stronger than that.

[boldie]

I'd only been sat at this table for two rounds so no real read on any of the players.  As it happens I thought the same as you Danni - a call or push is pretty much the same here with the size of UTG's stack.  I did consider getting out of the way tbh and all I'd have lost was my bb and ante, leaving me with a healthy stack to use once the button had passed (which is why I posted in on here).  As it was I called, UTG thought for a bit and pushed, and I had to call him, of course.

Re the suggestions about raising pre-flop - didn't enter my mind and I wouldn't do it if the same situation occurred.  Take the limper out of the equation and I'm almost definitely raising.

Did you win the pot?
What did the limper eventually have?

I lost the pot and the side pot

limper had AT.  Not sure if he would have passed to a pre-flop raise, but I fancied his hand was a little stronger than that.

so limper was a poor player but he might have called a pre-flop shove.

[Claw75]

I'd only been sat at this table for two rounds so no real read on any of the players.  As it happens I thought the same as you Danni - a call or push is pretty much the same here with the size of UTG's stack.  I did consider getting out of the way tbh and all I'd have lost was my bb and ante, leaving me with a healthy stack to use once the button had passed (which is why I posted in on here).  As it was I called, UTG thought for a bit and pushed, and I had to call him, of course.

Re the suggestions about raising pre-flop - didn't enter my mind and I wouldn't do it if the same situation occurred.  Take the limper out of the equation and I'm almost definitely raising.

Did you win the pot?
What did the limper eventually have?

I lost the pot and the side pot

limper had AT.  Not sure if he would have passed to a pre-flop raise, but I fancied his hand was a little stronger than that.

so limper was a poor player but he might have called a pre-flop shove.

no idea if he would have called or not.  To be honest, I'm not raising with QT in that spot whether the UTG limper is a bad player or a good one - either way I'm only getting called by a better hand every time.

[GlasgowBandit]

If you would have raised it would have been a different flop

[boldie]

I'd only been sat at this table for two rounds so no real read on any of the players.  As it happens I thought the same as you Danni - a call or push is pretty much the same here with the size of UTG's stack.  I did consider getting out of the way tbh and all I'd have lost was my bb and ante, leaving me with a healthy stack to use once the button had passed (which is why I posted in on here).  As it was I called, UTG thought for a bit and pushed, and I had to call him, of course.

Re the suggestions about raising pre-flop - didn't enter my mind and I wouldn't do it if the same situation occurred.  Take the limper out of the equation and I'm almost definitely raising.

Did you win the pot?
What did the limper eventually have?

I lost the pot and the side pot

limper had AT.  Not sure if he would have passed to a pre-flop raise, but I fancied his hand was a little stronger than that.

so limper was a poor player but he might have called a pre-flop shove.

no idea if he would have called or not.  To be honest, I'm not raising with QT in that spot whether the UTG limper is a bad player or a good one - either way I'm only getting called by a better hand every time.

and how does that not apply to the flop?

A bad player (which this guy quite clearly is) can lay down the better hand though if you shove though..that's one of the reasons for raising pre-flop. A lot of the time a player who has less than 10 BB's and limps UTG is simply a poor and weak player who will sigh and fold their A10 and AJ or small pair and complain about how unlucky they are.

[snoopy1239]

I wouldn't smooth call as there's still a chance I could make utg fold if he has a better hand. The stack sizes make this a push for me, you're guaranteed ore than half your stack back if it goes wrong.

[AlexMartin]

hate raise pre, i like shove on flop.