10pence tax band

[cia260895]

the whole point of the 10p tax band for the first  £2000 was to help people on a low income, i thought it was a great idea, brown keeps talking about benifits and people being better off than they where, to me it goes against 1 of  labours basic policies on helping the low paid, he is making a big mistake i think.

have to agree.  Most of us will be better off, yes, but it's the very people that the 10% band was introduced to help that are being penalised by the change.  So the majority of people will pay less tax, so I can't see that there's any benefit to the government from the change, unless they really think the majority of the British public are so shallow that they will cast their vote for a party that gives them, personally, a little bit more cash in their pocket every month.

sorry to dissapoint you claw but that is exactly how most people decide who to vote for...

I don't know, I would have thought more people would vote for policies aimed at improving education and the health service, or around dealing with crime or immigration issues rather than having an extra few quid a month 

How did Labour get in?

[Ironside]

the whole point of the 10p tax band for the first  £2000 was to help people on a low income, i thought it was a great idea, brown keeps talking about benifits and people being better off than they where, to me it goes against 1 of  labours basic policies on helping the low paid, he is making a big mistake i think.

have to agree.  Most of us will be better off, yes, but it's the very people that the 10% band was introduced to help that are being penalised by the change.  So the majority of people will pay less tax, so I can't see that there's any benefit to the government from the change, unless they really think the majority of the British public are so shallow that they will cast their vote for a party that gives them, personally, a little bit more cash in their pocket every month.

sorry to dissapoint you claw but that is exactly how most people decide who to vote for...

I don't know, I would have thought more people would vote for policies aimed at improving education and the health service, or around dealing with crime or immigration issues rather than having an extra few quid a month 

How did Labour get in?

cause people hated maggie

[kinboshi]

the whole point of the 10p tax band for the first  £2000 was to help people on a low income, i thought it was a great idea, brown keeps talking about benifits and people being better off than they where, to me it goes against 1 of  labours basic policies on helping the low paid, he is making a big mistake i think.

have to agree.  Most of us will be better off, yes, but it's the very people that the 10% band was introduced to help that are being penalised by the change.  So the majority of people will pay less tax, so I can't see that there's any benefit to the government from the change, unless they really think the majority of the British public are so shallow that they will cast their vote for a party that gives them, personally, a little bit more cash in their pocket every month.

sorry to dissapoint you claw but that is exactly how most people decide who to vote for...

I don't know, I would have thought more people would vote for policies aimed at improving education and the health service, or around dealing with crime or immigration issues rather than having an extra few quid a month 

no People claim that that's why they vote for some parties. Most people can't be bothered reading through a parties manifesto, they only vote on "who looks like a PM" and "who does the sun tell me is good for this country"..as well as "My dad voted for these guys so I will too" and "this makes me the most money"

People are greedy idiots..which is why a democracy is a bad idea.

You have a better one?

[Bongo]

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

[kinboshi]

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

Very true.  The problem with any form of government is the people in power, and the people they govern.






(...and boldie)

[boldie]

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

Very true.  The problem with any form of government is the people in power, and the people they govern.






(...and boldie)

A benevolent dictatorship is much preferred over a democracy for me. I also wouldn't mind seeing a government of knowledge (Technocracy) in action.

[kinboshi]

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

Very true.  The problem with any form of government is the people in power, and the people they govern.






(...and boldie)

A benevolent dictatorship is much preferred over a democracy for me. I also wouldn't mind seeing a government of knowledge (Technocracy) in action.

...and what about a practical suggestion?

[Ecosse]

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

Very true.  The problem with any form of government is the people in power, and the people they govern.






(...and boldie)

A benevolent dictatorship is much preferred over a democracy for me. I also wouldn't mind seeing a government of knowledge (Technocracy) in action.

Now that would be a government worth voting for ! Is this system in place anywhere you know of ?

[boldie]

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

Very true.  The problem with any form of government is the people in power, and the people they govern.






(...and boldie)

A benevolent dictatorship is much preferred over a democracy for me. I also wouldn't mind seeing a government of knowledge (Technocracy) in action.

Now that would be a government worth voting for ! Is this system in place anywhere you know of ?

strangely enough..it almost happened.

Pim Fortuyn had this idea in Holland. He was going to implement a Technocracy (but he got shot before he could win the elections).

An ex- CEO of Philips (Jan Timmer) had already agreed to become minister of Economic affairs.
A prof of Biology and Environmental studies (or something like that) had agreed to become minister for Environmental affairs and there were several more respected experts in their fields (neutrals and pragmatists so without any allegiance to any of the parties) who had agreed to serve on his cabinet as ministers IF he won the elections outright (and it was looking possible at the time)

Somehow the myth was created by the traditional parties that Pim Fortuyn was right-wing and therefore some hippy killed him under the misguided notion that Pim Fortuyn was against immigration. Actually what Fortuyn had said was "Every illegal immigrant that is in Holland at the moment can get a A listing (which means they can stay) and stay" (est between 100 and 150k people) and "after that we shall for the period of 4 years only allow 25k people per year to join if they are economic refugees, political refugees will still be welcome".

It would have been interesting to see a technocracy in action and you can be sure Holland would not have been the racist mess it is now.

[Ecosse]

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

Very true.  The problem with any form of government is the people in power, and the people they govern.






(...and boldie)

A benevolent dictatorship is much preferred over a democracy for me. I also wouldn't mind seeing a government of knowledge (Technocracy) in action.

Now that would be a government worth voting for ! Is this system in place anywhere you know of ?

strangely enough..it almost happened.

Pim Fortuyn had this idea in Holland. He was going to implement a Technocracy (but he got shot before he could win the elections).

An ex- CEO of Philips (Jan Timmer) had already agreed to become minister of Economic affairs.
A prof of Biology and Environmental studies (or something like that) had agreed to become minister for Environmental affairs and there were several more respected experts in their fields (neutrals and pragmatists so without any allegiance to any of the parties) who had agreed to serve on his cabinet as ministers IF he won the elections outright (and it was looking possible at the time)

Somehow the myth was created by the traditional parties that Pim Fortuyn was right-wing and therefore some hippy killed him under the misguided notion that Pim Fortuyn was against immigration. Actually what Fortuyn had said was "Every illegal immigrant that is in Holland at the moment can get a A listing (which means they can stay) and stay" (est between 100 and 150k people) and "after that we shall for the period of 4 years only allow 25k people per year to join if they are economic refugees, political refugees will still be welcome".

It would have been interesting to see a technocracy in action and you can be sure Holland would not have been the racist mess it is now.

Wow. Most interesting. Thanks.

[boldie]

I sincerely believe that IF someone like that stood up in the UK. A credible (so no Killroy-Tosspot), no-bullshit, alternative to the current parties who could motivate a group of credible and impartial and willing experts to join forces and say "Listen Brittain isn't doing well at the moment and we need 10 years to sort it out but we CAN do it IF you voters give us a chance. We CAN sort out your schools and we CAN sort out the NHS and we CAN sort out the incredibly complicated welfare system and we CAN make you feel safer on the street" that the people in Brittain would vote for that.
The problem is that NONE of the parties that currently exist can claim this and be credible as they are all filled with career politicians who care about getting re-elected and opinion polls over doing what's good for the country.

The political (first past the post) system in the UK would of course never allow for a 4th party to come in and win an election but I am sure most people in the UK (and probably in most countries) are fed up with their leaders taking the piss and would welcome change. The problem is of course finding such a leader in the first place.

[jizzemm]

vote BNP imo..  srry just had to put a laugh into the thread..

[Claw75]

vote BNP imo..  srry just had to put a laugh into the thread..

funnily enough just reading the leaflet they've stuck through my door to persuade me to vote for their mayoral candidate.  Biggest load of scaremongering tosh I've read in a while.  The strapline "because it's not racist to oppose mass immigration and politial correctness - it's commonsense!".  Gotta give credit to their PR people though - they're picking up on all the scare stories in the media (kids stabbing each other, children not being safe from peadophiles etc) and really playing up to it.  Quite scary to see how this kind of literature could pursuade a lot of the tabloid reading voting public to stick their x in the BNP box.

[jizzemm]

Quite scary to see how this kind of literature could pursuade a lot of the tabloid reading voting public to stick their x in the BNP box.

It is scary, but whats more scary is all they have to say in my local area is "Only LD & Labour can win here, any vote for anyone else means labour will get in"...  Makes me want to vote for them so much.. 

[boldie]

Quite scary to see how this kind of literature could pursuade a lot of the tabloid reading voting public to stick their x in the BNP box.

It is scary, but whats more scary is all they have to say in my local area is "Only LD & Labour can win here, any vote for anyone else means labour will get in"...  Makes me want to vote for them so much.. 

i would never vote for the BNP...but the whole "vote for anyone else or else you're actualy voting Labour" just reminds me of just how badly you need proportional representation.