Unreal!

[Horneris]

I just find it sad that just down the road from me...there are fears of violence over a celebration of English history?!??

What went wrong?

I think the stabbings of many English kids by bunches of Asians is wrong.

fyp.

  well this should turn into a fun thread now.

lol. But what you said can just as easily be reversed.

[Bongo]

But baldie was referring to incident that sparked the riots...

[Colchester Kev]

The trouble with any attempts to celebrate ones English heritage is this..

The St Georges cross (Flag of St George) was hijacked by racists and football hooligans and used very prominently in extreme right wing propaganda activities, we as a Nation have to take back the flag and not be afraid to display it.

Quite how we do this, I dont know, but the fact (or should that be FACT) is English people should not be afraid or embarrassed to show patriotism. It irks me that the Welsh, Irish and Scottish can happily celebrate their patron saints days in towns and cities across the world, yet the English cannot even celebrate in towns and cities in their own country.

Patriotism is too often seen as racism, and there in lies the English problem.

[Jon MW]

... we as a Nation have to take back the flag...
...

I think Euro 2006 pretty much did this.

You might need a YouGov poll of some sort to test my theory - but I strongly suspect that if you asked most people in Britain what the flag made them think of, a small minority would say anything about the right wing.

I think it is now mainly people who are linked with this sector (either for or against them) that now still see it the same.

[Colchester Kev]

... we as a Nation have to take back the flag...
...

I think Euro 2006 pretty much did this.

You might need a YouGov poll of some sort to test my theory - but I strongly suspect that if you asked most people in Britain what the flag made them think of, a small minority would say anything about the right wing.

I think it is now mainly people who are linked with this sector (either for or against them) that now still see it the same.

I would have to argue that point Jon, Its the people that make the decisions that have the hang ups, the councils and government departments across the country who wont even allow the flag to be flown from town halls and government buildings in case they upset anyone... its all wrong imo.

[Claw75]

... we as a Nation have to take back the flag...
...

I think Euro 2006 pretty much did this.

You might need a YouGov poll of some sort to test my theory - but I strongly suspect that if you asked most people in Britain what the flag made them think of, a small minority would say anything about the right wing.

I think it is now mainly people who are linked with this sector (either for or against them) that now still see it the same.

I would have to argue that point Jon, Its the people that make the decisions that have the hang ups, the councils and government departments across the country who wont even allow the flag to be flown from town halls and government buildings in case they upset anyone... its all wrong imo.

Is that not more to do with the fact that we don't have an English Government?

[boldie]

... we as a Nation have to take back the flag...
...

I think Euro 2006 pretty much did this.

You might need a YouGov poll of some sort to test my theory - but I strongly suspect that if you asked most people in Britain what the flag made them think of, a small minority would say anything about the right wing.

I think it is now mainly people who are linked with this sector (either for or against them) that now still see it the same.

I would have to argue that point Jon, Its the people that make the decisions that have the hang ups, the councils and government departments across the country who wont even allow the flag to be flown from town halls and government buildings in case they upset anyone... its all wrong imo.

Is that not more to do with the fact that we don't have an English Government?

I reckon there should be a devolved English parliament like the Scots and the Welsh have.

  and now to wait for the people from the colonies to come in.

[Claw75]

... we as a Nation have to take back the flag...
...

I think Euro 2006 pretty much did this.

You might need a YouGov poll of some sort to test my theory - but I strongly suspect that if you asked most people in Britain what the flag made them think of, a small minority would say anything about the right wing.

I think it is now mainly people who are linked with this sector (either for or against them) that now still see it the same.

I would have to argue that point Jon, Its the people that make the decisions that have the hang ups, the councils and government departments across the country who wont even allow the flag to be flown from town halls and government buildings in case they upset anyone... its all wrong imo.

Is that not more to do with the fact that we don't have an English Government?

I reckon there should be a devolved English parliament like the Scots and the Welsh have.

  and now to wait for the people from the colonies to come in.

yes, there probably should be.

[pokerram]

agree with kev, Minorities in the communites are spoiling it for the rest of the country. In derby the pakistans can wave there flag on independance day. so can the welsh ,irish and scots. Got to the point you cant display a english flag during a major sports occasion incase we upset minorities, who by the way have come here pledged allegiance to the crown, but in some cases thats where it ends. a wreath laying at the war dead memorial in derby to celebrate st georges day.
ps by minorities i mean football hooligans thugs, druggies and people who dont give respect to common decent people.

[Ginger]

I think I'll go out for the rest of the day.....

[TightEnd]

quite, be back on about midnight, just to see the wreckage.

[Claw75]

slackers!

[Horneris]

The trouble with any attempts to celebrate ones English heritage is this..

The St Georges cross (Flag of St George) was hijacked by racists and football hooligans and used very prominently in extreme right wing propaganda activities, we as a Nation have to take back the flag and not be afraid to display it.

Quite how we do this, I dont know, but the fact (or should that be FACT) is English people should not be afraid or embarrassed to show patriotism. It irks me that the Welsh, Irish and Scottish can happily celebrate their patron saints days in towns and cities across the world, yet the English cannot even celebrate in towns and cities in their own country.

Patriotism is too often seen as racism, and there in lies the English problem.

 

[boldie]

slackers!

you just can't find the staff these days. If we had Scottish mods we wouldn't be having this problem

[Bongo]

agree with kev, Minorities in the communites are spoiling it for the rest of the country. In derby the pakistans can wave there flag on independance day. so can the welsh ,irish and scots. Got to the point you cant display a english flag during a major sports occasion incase we upset minorities, who by the way have come here pledged allegiance to the crown, but in some cases thats where it ends. a wreath laying at the war dead memorial in derby to celebrate st georges day.
ps by minorities i mean football hooligans thugs, druggies and people who dont give respect to common decent people.

Do you think that it's the Pakistanis that have a problem with the English flag though?