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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2008, 02:50:45 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2008, 02:55:14 PM »

Re. the original post.....

You posted because you want confirmation that you were playing correctly and it was your opponent who played the hand wrong. They suggested the opposite in the chat box and you are looking for somebody to agree with you.

I will do that, I will say that your play was 100 times better than theirs, because I believe it to be true.

Over the world there are thousands of people who think they know what they are doing at a sit n go table, and they will be more than happy to give out free lessons in the chat box. If they lost the hand, chances are they will think you played it wrong.

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They may be wrong, you may be right, but probably best to ignore this completely and concentrate your energies on becoming even better. Who cares if you get grief, that should be your attitude. The more you play, the better you get, the more you win, the more grief will inevitably come your way. The only player at the table who needs to know that you are any good is yourself.




To that end, and given all the benefits of hindsight, looking at the hand in the clear light of day; the critical issue in your play was the flop raise; you have misread your opponent.

Wait you say, I haven't misread my opponent, I thought they held AKs or AA, and that's exactly what they had. Surely my read was as near spot on as you can get? I used the correctly deduced information to make a good, aggressive raise. Why don't I have every reason to feel good about myself?

The player in question might have had the hand you thought they did, but they didn't play it how you assumed they would.
They called the flop raise with AK high, which in reality, totally commits their entire stack to the pot. A horrible play.

If this is the sort of player they are, you should not have been trying to push them off the hand with a weak holding.
(It would have been an extremely powerful play against a half decent player.)


After they call on the flop, from that point on, you can only win the hand in three ways.

1. You hit a miracle 4 (unlikely)

2. You check down to a showdown and win.
(The combined possibility that they don't stick in the rest of their stack on either of the remaining two streets and that they also don't improve their hand is even more unlikley than hitting a 4 imo.)

3. You commiting a further 1,600 chips to the pot and 44 holding up (an amount that makes the difference between you keeping a comfortable money-ing stack or having a stack that will still have to fight to cash)
This would be poor play IMO as you are v weak and your opponent has shown considerable strength. Throwing good chips after bad.
Yes you have the better hand, but you don't really have any way of knowing that. (I think the hand range you have put them on is far too narrow to be realistic, but other posters have mentioned that and it is besides my point so I will not press that issue.)


Keep posting on blondes PHA and you won't go far wrong. It's a far better place to debate a hands merit than the chat box.

 


Tank, thanks very much for the detailed response, it's greatly appreciated.

In terms of the hand, I knew that I only put money in when I was ahead, so happy with all of that. What it was, because of the grief it made me think, OK, you played poorly, but did I play poorly as well, was gambling a bit with the initial call and my guess (shouldn't really have said read, that seems to have annoyed people!) at her v. tight range.

A bad guestimate on my part as I really thought the raise on the flop would get her (or him God knows!) off the pot, given the tight player she (he/it) "appeared" to be, if i was re-raised, muck it (prob bad plan on my part), really didn't expect the flat call.

Suppose I shouldn't have said all that stuff about grief / read / she as it clouded the issue of what areas of the actual play could have been better on my part.

Thanks again Tank.
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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2008, 03:21:52 PM »


are you assuming its a woman because of their handle because ive seen some stats that say a decent portion of female names online belong to male players and furthermore a lot of female players are reluctant to let their sex be known so dont often have a female name


The pattern of tight pre-flop and atrocious post-flop play supports the fact that she is, indeed, a chick. Male players who play that badly post flop tend to be looser pre-flop.

No offence intended to the ladies, all women don't play like that, a lot of women play better than me, I do the washing up in my house etc etc.

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« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2008, 03:56:56 PM »

You decided to play the hand and thats fine..if you put ur tight opponent on a big pair then the implied odds of hitting ur hand make the call still valid as they will probably not get away from their big hands and u can throw it away if u miss wide ( as u will most of the time ). I like the reraise on the flop as it defines ur hand there and then and is good aggressive play with position u can of course choose to throw the hand away which would be the best play but the beauty of this game means u dont have to have the best hand to win....ur opponent now shows they r a poor player by flat calling with no hand indicating for future information this person cannont lay down AK when missed and faced with pressure...by flat calling here they have absolutely no idea where they are...the turn is played weak by ur opponent and ur right to take the free card and hit on the river.... there abuse just disguises how bad they played it....
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