Deep (250bb) tricy spot HU.

[UpTheMariners]

the only winners in this hand is the rake and the bad beat tin. 

[TheChipPrince]

just fkin shib it in m8

u reckon? or is flatting and jamming any non-diamond brick on turn better?

Is that getting a little over-complicated?  umm maybe not, but a tough spot if a danger card comes though...

[AlexMartin]

the only winners in this hand is the rake and the bad beat tin. 

lol, not a bad beat at all. I just think there is a more optimal way to play the hand. What u reckon?

just fkin shib it in m8

u reckon? or is flatting and jamming any non-diamond brick on turn better?

Is that getting a little over-complicated?  umm maybe not, but a tough spot if a danger card comes though...

Yeah this did cross my mind when i shoved tbh. But there isnt THAT much of the deck that scares me. Only 13 cards rly. Ill show my math on it once iv made sure its roughly right. I think flatting and jamming a brick turn is significantly more optimal here.

[TheChipPrince]

the only winners in this hand is the rake and the bad beat tin. 

lol, not a bad beat at all. I just think there is a more optimal way to play the hand. What u reckon?

just fkin shib it in m8

u reckon? or is flatting and jamming any non-diamond brick on turn better?

Is that getting a little over-complicated?  umm maybe not, but a tough spot if a danger card comes though...

Yeah this did cross my mind when i shoved tbh. But there isnt THAT much of the deck that scares me. Only 13 cards rly. Ill show my math on it once iv made sure its roughly right. I think flatting and jamming a brick turn is significantly more optimal here.

Just a thought, say you flat call... Out of interest, what do you do if:

a) A of diamonds comes on the turn
b) 2 of diamonds comes on the turn

Assuming he then shoves all-in...

[AlexMartin]

fold, fold.

[boldie]

the only winners in this hand is the rake and the bad beat tin. 

lol, not a bad beat at all. I just think there is a more optimal way to play the hand. What u reckon?

just fkin shib it in m8

u reckon? or is flatting and jamming any non-diamond brick on turn better?

Is that getting a little over-complicated?  umm maybe not, but a tough spot if a danger card comes though...

Yeah this did cross my mind when i shoved tbh. But there isnt THAT much of the deck that scares me. Only 13 cards rly. Ill show my math on it once iv made sure its roughly right. I think flatting and jamming a brick turn is significantly more optimal here.

OK but who calls you on a brick turn?..surely not AQ off.

[UpTheMariners]

i think you've gotta RR this lead. if he doesnt have he may put you on it and stack off with a worse pair with diamond or AT. if you had 99 with diamond would you stack off? player dependant obv. i would worry about an overpair either hes more likely to have a flush. 

[AlexMartin]

the only winners in this hand is the rake and the bad beat tin. 

lol, not a bad beat at all. I just think there is a more optimal way to play the hand. What u reckon?

just fkin shib it in m8

u reckon? or is flatting and jamming any non-diamond brick on turn better?

Is that getting a little over-complicated?  umm maybe not, but a tough spot if a danger card comes though...

Yeah this did cross my mind when i shoved tbh. But there isnt THAT much of the deck that scares me. Only 13 cards rly. Ill show my math on it once iv made sure its roughly right. I think flatting and jamming a brick turn is significantly more optimal here.

OK but who calls you on a brick turn?..surely not AQ off.

? i have enough fold equity to freeze out hands on the turn that im flipping against if we get it in on the flop.

[MC]

Hey man,

Interesting one. I think you have to shove it in.

If you flat call, there's too many cards that are ugly could come on the turn...any diamond and any non-diamond Q/K/Ace and you don't know if you're still miles ahead or miles behind.

Just an unlucky hand I think...every chance you were dominant favourite here rather than a slight favourite...

[AlexMartin]

Hey man,

Interesting one. I think you have to shove it in.

If you flat call, there's too many cards that are ugly could come on the turn...any diamond and any non-diamond Q/K/Ace and you don't know if you're still miles ahead or miles behind.

Just an unlucky hand I think...every chance you were dominant favourite here rather than a slight favourite...

? v what? He aint gonna go broke here with underpair with diamond.

Ill post the math later this week. We have position remember on the turn.

[UpTheMariners]

i think the baddy could call off with 99 w/diamond & A10 here

[AlexMartin]

i think the baddy could call off with 99 w/diamond & A10 here

10% of his ai on flop range? Or less?

[kingkev]

Alex as a player who's logged about 40k hands at 200nl HU i'm perfectly happy getting AI on the flop.
Btw HU players snap call 4 bets OOP way too often with weak holdings (alot weaker than AQ), this scary board can be great for villain to lead with a wide range and in return i love Totalise's idea of min-raising the flop as some players make gigantic spewy shoves with x or worse pair w/ d because "they had fold equity"
Flatting / jamming a safe turn would be an ok line with overpair no diamond.