Petrol Prices - Are they to high - What can we do about it.

[Claw75]

No more honesty, it's all wishy-washy cooey-wooey now.

bollocks to that grandad

[Acidmouse]

The thing is it's more expensive to use public transport and less convenient even with the current hike in petrol.

You want to go to the coast for the day, fuk you its 5hrs on bus or 3hrs on the train at double the cost and journey time.

Well yes. But "more awkward", "less convenient", don't really cut much ice with me. Less awkward, more convenient are both all very well & good. But life does not hinge on awkward & convenient. Well, not in the UK, anyway. In parts of the world they have no potable water. That's awkward. That's inconvenient. Water is not a luxury, we die without it.

I don't quite understand what their is to disagree with my statement, they are the facts to ME.  It's cheaper for me to get in the car for most journeys I make (FACT), its more convenient for me to drive (FACT). It is also faster to get from A to B driving (FACT).

I am not making political statements about the rights or wrongs of driving my car, nor am I making a judgment on how valuable petrol is in our society I am just saying how it is ffs.

[tikay]

No more honesty, it's all wishy-washy cooey-wooey now.

bollocks to that grandad

If you only knew how many "friends" I've lost, & how much business I've cost blonde by being honest, (though 100% civil) you'd understand.

I'm on a short leash now.

It's very sad.

[tikay]

The thing is it's more expensive to use public transport and less convenient even with the current hike in petrol.

You want to go to the coast for the day, fuk you its 5hrs on bus or 3hrs on the train at double the cost and journey time.

Well yes. But "more awkward", "less convenient", don't really cut much ice with me. Less awkward, more convenient are both all very well & good. But life does not hinge on awkward & convenient. Well, not in the UK, anyway. In parts of the world they have no potable water. That's awkward. That's inconvenient. Water is not a luxury, we die without it.

I don't quite understand what their is to disagree with my statement, they are the facts to ME.  It's cheaper for me to get in the car for most journeys I make (FACT), its more convenient for me to drive (FACT). It is also faster to get from A to B driving (FACT).

I am not making political statements about the rights or wrongs of driving my car, nor am I making a judgment on how valuable petrol is in our society I am just saying how it is ffs.

My apologies Mr Mouse. I respect your view, & it's relevance to you personally. I have a view, too.

And thanks, for making so well the point I was trying to explain to Claw.

[Claw75]

No more honesty, it's all wishy-washy cooey-wooey now.

bollocks to that grandad

If you only knew how many "friends" I've lost, & how much business I've cost blonde by being honest, (though 100% civil) you'd understand.

I'm on a short leash now.

It's very sad.

the inverted commas are key.....

[tikay]

Well at least I've discovered how to kill a thread stone-dead, anyway.

 

[Dingdell]

Well at least I've discovered how to kill a thread stone-dead, anyway.

 

We're all off talking to our friends...

[Claw75]

Well at least I've discovered how to kill a thread stone-dead, anyway.

 

We're all off talking to our friends...

lol

[roverthtaeh]

As fuel prices rise, those who need their vehicles for work pass on the rising costs to their customers. This works from the simple one-man decorator to the corporate chains of grocery suppliers.
Eventually, the cost is passed on to everyone who eats and drinks. And somewhere along this downward-spiralling road poverty begins to set in.
As we all know, where poverty breeds, illness and death breed too. Not only that, but the incapability to deal with anything the forces of nature may care to throw at us.
The irony is, it's the fuel we burn which is probably a major contributary factor of the terrible natural disasters which seem to occur with increasinging frequency.
I believe what annoys people more than anything is the fact that they have to work harder and longer for less and less. And when we have a moan about the so-called experts who are running our country, that doesn't mean we don't care about folk who are far worse off than ourselves.
As for the definition of 'luxury', that has to be down purely to individual interpretation dependent on their status in life.
I'll shut up now.

[tikay]

Well at least I've discovered how to kill a thread stone-dead, anyway.

 

We're all off talking to our friends...

lol

Well nobody's talking to me.

Oh - I see - doh!

[Claw75]

Well at least I've discovered how to kill a thread stone-dead, anyway.

 

We're all off talking to our friends...

lol

Well nobody's talking to me.

Oh - I see - doh!

aw.   

[jizzemm]

Well at least I've discovered how to kill a thread stone-dead, anyway.

 

We're all off talking to our friends...

 

Back to the opening post, it seems that there are a few different views, and possibly that Petrol is not the only problem here, that some of the arguments for and against are do do with government policy, the way the country is now being run.

I for one am saddened by the Burma situation, but why are we not knocking on their door with the army sending people in to help? China, supposedly (and I'm not clued up on this one) has one of the worst human rights problems, gets none to hardly any TV / Media coverage, yet the disaster has hit, and the way the Chinese government has acted (media reports again) they are making out they are the best thing since sliced bread, in comparison to the Burma government...

If things continue in this country the way they are there will be a change of government, (rightly or wrongly god only knows) but its human nature to worry more about your own situation rather than ones that you can do little or nothing to change..

I also think that a party or country that dealt more (or changed the system however you want to call it)with direct taxation rather than indirect taxation, would be a fairer  system, but without thinking to much about the statement i just made, im sure there would be massive flaws in it..

I think most people accept your view TK, but when it hits peoples pockets and they cant afford it, thats when we moan. I am even thinking of selling my Diesel car because petrol (yes petrol) would be more efficient and cheaper for me.. Also from a point of view of running/owning a poker site, dont you want people to have more disposable income !!

Ramble over....

[tikay]

2 Posters in this thread have now mentioned "poverty" in the context of the UK......

"Poverty" means different things to different people. But, in it's widest sense, I really don't see too much poverty in this country.

[ItsMrAlex2u]

The price of oil going up (and therefore obviously petrol) is as inevitable as death and..... well, appropriately... taxes.
Oil resources are becoming more scarce, at least the ones that are easy to extract. As time goes by, the price of oil will reach $200 a barrel, $300 a barrel and so on. Nothing will stop this. Eventually it will become virtually impossible to own a car that runs on petrol, or have oil fired central heating.

Hydrogen fuel cells are the way forward for cars we buy in another 10 years time once the technology is perfected.

[Laxie]

For me, if I thought there was a genuine way to help all those you mention Tikay, I would do everything I could.  I've lost faith in most of the larger charity organisations as they spend too much of the raised funds before the suffering receive a cent.  I could pack up and head off to one of those locations, tuck in and do whatever needs doing, but who would mind my kids while I'm, gone? 

Then you take the people who have no children and make it their business to travel to the various 'torn' nations only to be met by local resistance.  Burma turned aid workers away.  Said they could handle it themselves.  It's a vicious circle.  Like being on a roundabout.  I reckon most people have just decided enough is enough, found their exit and are at 'worry about home' now.  Humanity has gone a bit callous in some regards and without a doubt, it bites.  But at the end of the day, what genuine suggestions can anyone make to turn things around?