Petrol Prices - Are they to high - What can we do about it.

[TightEnd]

2 Posters in this thread have now mentioned "poverty" in the context of the UK......

"Poverty" means different things to different people. But, in it's widest sense, I really don't see too much poverty in this country.

That's fair, no you don't. However with mass unemployment (medium likely), higher petrol prices (almost certain) and recession (virtually there, a normal cycle) you'll see far more of it..but of course not on a less developed country scale of having to be worried about basic water supplies.

[tikay]

Well at least I've discovered how to kill a thread stone-dead, anyway.

 

We're all off talking to our friends...

 

Back to the opening post, it seems that there are a few different views, and possibly that Petrol is not the only problem here, that some of the arguments for and against are do do with government policy, the way the country is now being run.

I for one am saddened by the Burma situation, but why are we not knocking on their door with the army sending people in to help? China, supposedly (and I'm not clued up on this one) has one of the worst human rights problems, gets none to hardly any TV / Media coverage, yet the disaster has hit, and the way the Chinese government has acted (media reports again) they are making out they are the best thing since sliced bread, in comparison to the Burma government...

If things continue in this country the way they are there will be a change of government, (rightly or wrongly god only knows) but its human nature to worry more about your own situation rather than ones that you can do little or nothing to change..

I also think that a party or country that dealt more (or changed the system however you want to call it)with direct taxation rather than indirect taxation, would be a fairer  system, but without thinking to much about the statement i just made, im sure there would be massive flaws in it..

I think most people accept your view TK, but when it hits peoples pockets and they cant afford it, thats when we moan. I am even thinking of selling my Diesel car because petrol (yes petrol) would be more efficient and cheaper for me.. Also from a point of view of running/owning a poker site, dont you want people to have more disposable income !!

Ramble over....

Nice Post, but "can't afford" is not really the end of the world, or true. We have the choice to allocate our disposable income howsoever we wish. We'd prefer that more of it went on "luxury" goods, fancy cars, posh holidays & nice kitchens,. so higher petrol prices "inconvenience" us. It's just a reallocation of how we spend our money. If we want to moan at rising fuel prices, we shall moan until we die. Nothing is more certain - fuel prices will continue to rise inexorably. The demand is growing, the supply is finite. That's how pricing mechanisms work. It's utterly futile to complain about rising fuel prices, because it will always be so. It takes a year or two for an oil-field to magically be transformed from forestation. We are using it quicker than it can be extracted, or "formed" It will all be gone within the lifetime of our younger readers - it will. So the price keeps rising. Surely we can all see that?

Sign your petitions all day & all night, but tell me this. Will the retail price of petrol, in 1 year, be less or more than it is now? And in 5 years? And in 10 years? And in 20 years? If you answered "more" to each question - & there's no other answer - what's the point of signing petitions? Will we sign them "K Canute"?

[tikay]

2 Posters in this thread have now mentioned "poverty" in the context of the UK......

"Poverty" means different things to different people. But, in it's widest sense, I really don't see too much poverty in this country.

That's fair, no you don't. However with mass unemployment (medium likely), higher petrol prices (almost certain) and recession (virtually there, a normal cycle) you'll see far more of it..but of course not on a less developed country scale of having to be worried about basic water supplies.

Recession "almost there". I blame the Government. Prices of our homes will fall, & that's a disaster. Or is it?.......

Poverty in the UK? I think not.

[Bongo]

I think most people accept your view TK, but when it hits peoples pockets and they cant afford it, thats when we moan. I am even thinking of selling my Diesel car because petrol (yes petrol) would be more efficient and cheaper for me..

I mentioned on a previous thread that I'd heard Diesel was set to rise far quicker than petrol...

[tikay]

I think most people accept your view TK, but when it hits peoples pockets and they cant afford it, thats when we moan. I am even thinking of selling my Diesel car because petrol (yes petrol) would be more efficient and cheaper for me..

I mentioned on a previous thread that I'd heard Diesel was set to rise far quicker than petrol...

It has, & will. But I get 50% more MPG from Diesel. So it's OK. It's less more dear really.

[ItsMrAlex2u]

Well at least I've discovered how to kill a thread stone-dead, anyway.

 

We're all off talking to our friends...

 

Back to the opening post, it seems that there are a few different views, and possibly that Petrol is not the only problem here, that some of the arguments for and against are do do with government policy, the way the country is now being run.

I for one am saddened by the Burma situation, but why are we not knocking on their door with the army sending people in to help? China, supposedly (and I'm not clued up on this one) has one of the worst human rights problems, gets none to hardly any TV / Media coverage, yet the disaster has hit, and the way the Chinese government has acted (media reports again) they are making out they are the best thing since sliced bread, in comparison to the Burma government...

If things continue in this country the way they are there will be a change of government, (rightly or wrongly god only knows) but its human nature to worry more about your own situation rather than ones that you can do little or nothing to change..

I also think that a party or country that dealt more (or changed the system however you want to call it)with direct taxation rather than indirect taxation, would be a fairer  system, but without thinking to much about the statement i just made, im sure there would be massive flaws in it..

I think most people accept your view TK, but when it hits peoples pockets and they cant afford it, thats when we moan. I am even thinking of selling my Diesel car because petrol (yes petrol) would be more efficient and cheaper for me.. Also from a point of view of running/owning a poker site, dont you want people to have more disposable income !!

Ramble over....

Nice Post, but "can't afford" is not really the end of the world, or true. We have the choice to allocate our disposable income howsoever we wish. We'd prefer that more of it went on "luxury" goods, fancy cars, posh holidays & nice kitchens,. so higher petrol prices "inconvenience" us. It's just a reallocation of how we spend our money. If we want to moan at rising fuel prices, we shall moan until we die. Nothing is more certain - fuel prices will continue to rise inexorably. The demand is growing, the supply is finite. That's how pricing mechanisms work. It's utterly futile to complain about rising fuel prices, because it will always be so. It takes a year or two for an oil-field to magically be transformed from forestation. We are using it quicker than it can be extracted, or "formed" It will all be gone within the lifetime of our younger readers - it will. So the price keeps rising. Surely we can all see that?

Sign your petitions all day & all night, but tell me this. Will the retail price of petrol, in 1 year, be less or more than it is now? And in 5 years? And in 10 years? And in 20 years? If you answered "more" to each question - & there's no other answer - what's the point of signing petitions? Will we sign them "K Canute"?

Wot he said !!!

[roverthtaeh]

2 Posters in this thread have now mentioned "poverty" in the context of the UK......

"Poverty" means different things to different people. But, in it's widest sense, I really don't see too much poverty in this country.

That's fair, no you don't. However with mass unemployment (medium likely), higher petrol prices (almost certain) and recession (virtually there, a normal cycle) you'll see far more of it..but of course not on a less developed country scale of having to be worried about basic water supplies.

Recession "almost there". I blame the Government. Prices of our homes will fall, & that's a disaster. Or is it?.......

Poverty in the UK? I think not.

In some parts of the UK poverty already exists, whether we like it or not. I know, I have seen it.
Rising fuel prices affect all of us. As transport costs increase so do the things we buy. Like food.
When we get to the stage where we can't afford to buy food you will know why we are moaning.

[Bongo]

I think most people accept your view TK, but when it hits peoples pockets and they cant afford it, thats when we moan. I am even thinking of selling my Diesel car because petrol (yes petrol) would be more efficient and cheaper for me..

I mentioned on a previous thread that I'd heard Diesel was set to rise far quicker than petrol...

It has, & will. But I get 50% more MPG from Diesel. So it's OK. It's less more dear really.

Depends what driving you do really, but 50p a litre more expensive would hurt people!

[tikay]

2 Posters in this thread have now mentioned "poverty" in the context of the UK......

"Poverty" means different things to different people. But, in it's widest sense, I really don't see too much poverty in this country.

That's fair, no you don't. However with mass unemployment (medium likely), higher petrol prices (almost certain) and recession (virtually there, a normal cycle) you'll see far more of it..but of course not on a less developed country scale of having to be worried about basic water supplies.

Recession "almost there". I blame the Government. Prices of our homes will fall, & that's a disaster. Or is it?.......

Poverty in the UK? I think not.

In some parts of the UK poverty already exists, whether we like it or not. I know, I have seen it.
Rising fuel prices affect all of us. As transport costs increase so do the things we buy. Like food.
When we get to the stage where we can't afford to buy food you will know why we are moaning.

I know why some are moaning. I just don't understand why. It won't change anything. Fuel Prices will rise - for ever. We have to get used to it.

"Not afford food"? I think not. The UK is absolutely awash with disposable income!

[roverthtaeh]

2 Posters in this thread have now mentioned "poverty" in the context of the UK......

"Poverty" means different things to different people. But, in it's widest sense, I really don't see too much poverty in this country.

That's fair, no you don't. However with mass unemployment (medium likely), higher petrol prices (almost certain) and recession (virtually there, a normal cycle) you'll see far more of it..but of course not on a less developed country scale of having to be worried about basic water supplies.

Recession "almost there". I blame the Government. Prices of our homes will fall, & that's a disaster. Or is it?.......

Poverty in the UK? I think not.

In some parts of the UK poverty already exists, whether we like it or not. I know, I have seen it.
Rising fuel prices affect all of us. As transport costs increase so do the things we buy. Like food.
When we get to the stage where we can't afford to buy food you will know why we are moaning.

I know why some are moaning. I just don't understand why. It won't change anything. Fuel Prices will rise - for ever. We have to get used to it.

"Not afford food"? I think not. The UK is absolutely awash with disposable income!

Please tell me this comment is a wind-up.
Either that, or explain it to the people currently struggling to keep a roof over their families heads.

[TightEnd]

 The UK is absolutely awash with disposable income!

with respect, this statement is 18 months out of date. There is a nasty squeeze on and a load are struggling

[tikay]

I think most people accept your view TK, but when it hits peoples pockets and they cant afford it, thats when we moan. I am even thinking of selling my Diesel car because petrol (yes petrol) would be more efficient and cheaper for me..

I mentioned on a previous thread that I'd heard Diesel was set to rise far quicker than petrol...

It has, & will. But I get 50% more MPG from Diesel. So it's OK. It's less more dear really.

Depends what driving you do really, but 50p a litre more expensive would hurt people!

Hurt? No.

Inconvenience, annoy, irritate upset, disturb, yes.

But it is going to happen, I absolutely guarantee, petitions or not. Surely you don't dispute that?

So, please explain what good a petition wil do in the face of market forces? Or moaning?

House Prices are falling though. That's good, our kids can buy houses cheaper now. Oops - sorry - that means we get less when we sell them. Damn that half-empty glass.

[ifm]

but tikay you are fighting human nature. Its not just Mail or Express readers, people are energised by that which is immediate to them

At the next election, will overseas aid for example be a big discussion point? will policies on global poverty be a big vote winner/loser?

I contend not.

People will vote, and discuss, on issues such as the domestic economy first and foremost.

This does not mean that people are uncaring about the likes of Burma, or Chinese earthquakes. In fact many will contribute if they are able. I suggest most look on sadly, a bit numb..in part because of a feeling of helplessness and in part because of immediacy.

Yes, people die all the time every day. If we stopped to grieve every death none of us would ever get out of bed for uncontrolled sobbing.

Instead, we care about people we are directly connected to. Friends, family, people we know, people who live near us, people who are in situations we could have found ourselves in ('I cross that road every day where that lad was knocked down etc').

Foreigners dying on TV just isn't close enough to home to matter.

Precisely!
Banging on about Burma and China on a thread about petrol??
No comparison at all, we all feel sympathy and we all shake our heads at the telly and some might even make a donation (on top of our taxed cash bein sent by Brown) but it is over there not here.
We were talking petrol prices.....

[kinboshi]

We're lucky.  We have a benefit sytem, a health service that is free to all at the point of use, we have a fair amount of freedom whilst at the same time enjoying a relatively high level of protection from crime or persecution.  We have a bloody good standard of living - higher I dare say than ever.

But we're only 60 million in a world of nearly 7 billion.  We are an unbelievably wealthy nation.  What do we do about everyone else?  What does everyone else do about us?

[tikay]

 The UK is absolutely awash with disposable income!

with respect, this statement is 18 months out of date. There is a nasty squeeze on and a load are struggling

You seen the queue for Lottery Tickets on a Saturday night Rich? How many folks in In Betting Shops? How many '07 & '08 Reg Cars are around? How many folks play on 'Stars? How many go abroad on Holiday? Have two-car families? Eat Roast Beef on a Tuesday?

It's possible we, as a Nation, are a tinsy bit less well-off than we were a year ago. But we're doing pretty good.