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« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2008, 11:09:35 PM » |
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The radio is slating him saying he would've lost boxing like that 2 a top10-15 fighter and that his defence was terrible.
Imo he needed a fight to get a bit confidence back and he's pretty much done that with the win
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« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2008, 11:14:57 PM » |
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Anyone slating him is an idiot imo.
He was getting caught a fair bit but mostly seemed in control.
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« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2008, 11:15:22 PM » |
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The radio is slating him saying he would've lost boxing like that 2 a top10-15 fighter and that his defence was terrible. Nonsense imo. Imo he needed a fight to get a bit confidence back and he's pretty much done that with the win
He definitely wanted to get through this fight and back on the winning the track again. He was fighting a very decent fighter who hasn't been knocked down for over 10 years. He won every round on one judge's card, and that looked right to me. Malignaggi is meant to be his next opponent, and he's meant to be in the top 10. Hatton will destroy him. |
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« Reply #48 on: May 25, 2008, 01:08:38 AM » |
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Didn't watch it so can't really comment a think hatton said himself afterwards that it wasnt 1 of his best performances but it was a hugely important fight and he won it convincenly which will do 4 me
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« Reply #49 on: May 25, 2008, 10:21:08 AM » |
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Hatton won it every round-the statistics didnt lie-through more punches, landed more than double Lazcano and his accuracy was better- fair play to Lazcano though you could see why he's not been knocked out much.
WTF happened in the 8th round-Hattons legs just seem to go for a small spell and he was holding onto Lazcano to hold him up- there were also a few times after it Hattons punches started to look a bit sluggish and his legs looked a bit tired- then he'd just somehow get a bit more energy from somewhere to keep going to bounce back into things. I'd worry against a more decent oponent-based on both of last nights performances I think he'd absolutely batter malignaggi but if Oscar de la hoya does come out for a fight I fear he'd get beat.
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« Reply #50 on: May 25, 2008, 10:34:54 AM » |
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He should definitly stay away from odlh he's to big for him he would get battered.
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« Reply #51 on: May 25, 2008, 10:36:41 AM » |
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« Reply #52 on: May 25, 2008, 11:33:07 AM » |
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I don't think there is any doubt that if he had of been in there with someone close to the top of the division he would have got beaten with a performance like that. I'd like to think his defence was so poor because he felt he could take a hit from that guy and it let him be aggressive and get shots off, partly for the crowd. Hopefuly against a better opponent he would have just used different tactics.
I'd agree that he looked better from distance last night. Can you imagine if Cortez had been the ref though?!! I thought theguy in there did really well letting just the right amount of stuff go on before separating them.
To put Hatton in a ring with De La Hoya would be crazy. They be at a weight above the fight against Mayweather wouldn't they?! A rematch with Mayweather would be pointless too, apart from financially. I'm worried that Ricky's support ='ing $$$ might keep his career going for that reason only. a couple more fights then bow out with a big payday if he wants and that should do him.
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« Reply #53 on: May 25, 2008, 12:01:52 PM » |
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I think a wembley mayweather fight would be quality to go to and although mayweather looked diff class it would be good 4 hatton to give it another go so he doesn't always wonder if he was good enough instead of thinking it was the refs fault or whatever else.Also if he could get mayweather to fight at a catchweight he would stand much greater chance as he's just not big or strong enough for the higher weight.
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« Reply #54 on: May 25, 2008, 12:13:42 PM » |
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I don't think there is any doubt that if he had of been in there with someone close to the top of the division he would have got beaten with a performance like that. I'd like to think his defence was so poor because he felt he could take a hit from that guy and it let him be aggressive and get shots off, partly for the crowd. Hopefuly against a better opponent he would have just used different tactics.
He clearly performed the way he needed (or felt he could) to win the fight. Different tactics, different opponents. |
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« Reply #55 on: May 25, 2008, 12:25:04 PM » |
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I don't think there is any doubt that if he had of been in there with someone close to the top of the division he would have got beaten with a performance like that. I'd like to think his defence was so poor because he felt he could take a hit from that guy and it let him be aggressive and get shots off, partly for the crowd. Hopefuly against a better opponent he would have just used different tactics.
He clearly performed the way he needed (or felt he could) to win the fight. Different tactics, different opponents. Exactly. In fact, like he said himself it was probably the wrong tactics for this fight as well. But that's why he's so good to watch. He could have probably boxed at distance and got the job done. Calzaghe does the same. Both of them have enough to 'get away' with brawling against all but the absolute best opposition. It was earlier on his career, but when Hatton fought Eamonn Magee he was put on his backside in the first round (I think it was the first anyway) and Hatton immediately changed to plan B and boxed his way to a points victory. Maybe it's something Billy Graham and his other trainers need to focus on a bit more. |
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« Reply #56 on: May 25, 2008, 01:10:50 PM » |
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There wasnt a single light welterweight in the world that could have put that guy out last night, nor could have Mayweather. I think Hatton did a real number on him last night.
Yes Hatton gets hit very easy, but he always has and he has always took it well. Also his all action style means that he tends to smother the work of his opponent and it nulifies their power a bit. The only time he has ever been truly hurt was against Mayweather and he is the best in the world and a weight higher. Nobody in the division will be able to KO Ricky in the next 18 months at least.
Most of the people that dish out the criticism of Hatton in the media or on the street in recent times didnt even know who he was 18 months ago and have no idea about the level of his opposition.
I actually think he could beat De La Hoya. Oscar struggled against Steve Forbes who is flashy but really the sort of fighter who you would expect him to finish off late on. De Lay Hoya also doesnt have much left in the tank these days, and would really feel it in the later rounds against Hatton, he would make the final bell but I think Hatton wins on work rate
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« Reply #57 on: May 25, 2008, 03:01:09 PM » |
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I would fancy de la Hoya to beat Hatton within the distance, especially if Ricky doesn't go to plan B from the get go. De la Hoya can whack and though he might be passed his best the punch should still be there.
Ricky can win that fight but he would have to be a great tactical display. His punch resistance seems to be on the wane imo, Lazcano really had him going in the 8th for a spell and there is no way he hits harder than DLH. If you look back at the Tzuyu (sp?) fight he just walked through tzuyu punches (tzuyu could whack as well), now he seems to be noticiably rocked in every fight and knocked out by Mayweather who is a great fighter but not a ko puncher as such.
Hatton is still a world class fighter who will still beat the majority of good class fighter out there but against the cream I think he has less chance now than he did in the past.
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« Reply #58 on: May 25, 2008, 03:02:00 PM » |
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There wasnt a single light welterweight in the world that could have put that guy out last night, nor could have Mayweather. I think Hatton did a real number on him last night.
I think Mayweather would have stopped him easily. Hatton abs dominated and it was quite enjoyable, I look forward to him beating up Malignaggi. |
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« Reply #59 on: May 25, 2008, 03:03:06 PM » |
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I would fancy de la Hoya to beat Hatton within the distance, especially if Ricky doesn't go to plan B from the get go. De la Hoya can whack and though he might be passed his best the punch should still be there.
Ricky can win that fight but he would have to be a great tactical display. His punch resistance seems to be on the wane imo, Lazcano really had him going in the 8th for a spell and there is no way he hits harder than DLH. If you look back at the Tzuyu (sp?) fight he just walked through tzuyu punches (tzuyu could whack as well), now he seems to be noticiably rocked in every fight and knocked out by Mayweather who is a great fighter but not a ko puncher as such.
Hatton is still a world class fighter who will still beat the majority of good class fighter out there but against the cream I think he has less chance now than he did in the past.
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