You are the TD

[phatomch]

thanks tk, I am still that person tho, hav'nt totaly forgot everything..

But as claw said its punishing people for not playing a hand well, its not collusion because they would'nt have called in the first place. If we start punishing people for playing hands badly we will lose all the value out of the game, and kev won't even be allowed to sit down...

[tikay]

I can't imagine any reason why some sort of Flop Bet was not made, if not by A-Q man, then certainly by K-K man, & that assumes the pre-flop play was "correct".

but now we're getting in to the realms of punishing people for not playing a hand 'well'.  We all play hands badly from time to time.......

It was a £100 Comp, not a £5 Rookie job, & the players knew - trust me - exactly how they'd play this against anyone else.....

[Claw75]

I can't imagine any reason why some sort of Flop Bet was not made, if not by A-Q man, then certainly by K-K man, & that assumes the pre-flop play was "correct".

but now we're getting in to the realms of punishing people for not playing a hand 'well'.  We all play hands badly from time to time.......

It was a £100 Comp, not a £5 Rookie job, & the players knew - trust me - exactly how they'd play this against anyone else.....

do you really think the play of the AQ was that perverse?

[tikay]

thanks tk, I am still that person tho, hav'nt totaly forgot everything..

But as claw said its punishing people for not playing a hand well, its not collusion because they would'nt have called in the first place. If we start punishing people for playing hands badly we will lose all the value out of the game, and kev won't even be allowed to sit down...

And if we allow same village-soft play to go unchecked we will also lose the "value out of the game".

I've never - never ever - seen a single person penalised for soft play/collusion in a UK Venue, despite that fact I've spotted it & reported it several times. The players must play the game properly, but some responsibility sits with TD's/Cardroom Supervisors/Floor too, & they must accept their responsibility to address such issues. Are you saying it never happens?

[Pelham Boy]

Was it Jennifer Tilley with the KK???

[tikay]

I can't imagine any reason why some sort of Flop Bet was not made, if not by A-Q man, then certainly by K-K man, & that assumes the pre-flop play was "correct".

but now we're getting in to the realms of punishing people for not playing a hand 'well'.  We all play hands badly from time to time.......

It was a £100 Comp, not a £5 Rookie job, & the players knew - trust me - exactly how they'd play this against anyone else.....

do you really think the play of the AQ was that perverse?

Arguably, no.

But K-K man was happy to check behind every street, just waiting for an A to fall, that's OK? I think not.

[Claw75]

Was it Jennifer Tilley with the KK???

lol 'I thought he had pocket fives'

[Claw75]

I can't imagine any reason why some sort of Flop Bet was not made, if not by A-Q man, then certainly by K-K man, & that assumes the pre-flop play was "correct".

but now we're getting in to the realms of punishing people for not playing a hand 'well'.  We all play hands badly from time to time.......

It was a £100 Comp, not a £5 Rookie job, & the players knew - trust me - exactly how they'd play this against anyone else.....

do you really think the play of the AQ was that perverse?

Arguably, no.

But K-K man was happy to check behind every street, just waiting for an A to fall, that's OK? I think not.

I agree

[phatomch]

of course it happens, we've all seen it (as a td and a player) but so much goes on all the time, people will soft play but how do we monitor it ?.

[TightEnd]

of course it happens, we've all seen it (as a td and a player) but so much goes on all the time, people will soft play but how do we monitor it ?.

Mike

what are Grosvenor's TDs doing about this?

Not enough IMO..its turn a blind eye because it's too difficult etc etc

Make a few rulings, make it known its not tolerated and it stops, in time

[tikay]

of course it happens, we've all seen it (as a td and a player) but so much goes on all the time, people will soft play but how do we monitor it ?.

So you  - one of the most Senior, experienced, best, & most respected TD's in the UK agree that it happens "all the time" - you clearly do - but think there is nothing we should try & do to prevent it? With respect, I'm astonished.

Let's agree we have a problem - I think we do agree, your Post says as much.

So now we have to find a means to combat it. And if a few innocents get mistakenly punished, by, say, an Orbit or two away from the Table, too bad, they won't die. We need to do something, & the innocent players deserve the same protection that the "same villagers" have enjoyed for so long.

I plan to chain myself to Buckingham Palace railings & go on hunger strike, or streak across a Cardroom, unless something is done.

[phatomch]

of course it happens, we've all seen it (as a td and a player) but so much goes on all the time, people will soft play but how do we monitor it ?.

So you  - one of the most Senior, experienced, best, & most respected TD's in the UK agree that it happens "all the time" - you clearly do - but think there is nothing we should try & do to prevent it? With respect, I'm astonished.

Let's agree we have a problem - I think we do agree, your Post says as much.

So now we have to find a means to combat it. And if a few innocents get mistakenly punished, by, say, an Orbit or two away from the Table, too bad, they won't die. We need to do something, & the innocent players deserve the same protection that the "same villagers" have enjoyed for so long.

I plan to chain myself to Buckingham Palace railings & go on hunger strike, or streak across a Cardroom, unless something is done.

Tk I think i'm blushing...ty

But I did'nt say that we should'nt try and stop it, it's a very hard thing to judge. I mean who am I (although I do like your description of me...although I notice no mention of attractive) but who am I to say someone has'nt played a hand properly.

I can see it now some jumped up littl td strolling across the room "excuse my Mr Threw I don't think you played that hand correctly, that'll be a lap out for you".

It's all well saying we will address all the problems in poker but do you think the staff are upto it ? and to me that is the crux of the matter..

[Ironside]

i apore soft play and collusion (why i donmt play MTT team comps)

but in this case i dont think there is a case to answer

if there was they would of went raise fold preflop

as if someone was softplaying why get involved when there is only the 2 of you in the pot with same stacks

after the flop yes the kings could of bet out but he might of been looking for the BB to bet out on turn or river

on the river there isnt much point in the KK betting out as he will only get paid or reraised by a better hand

this way he knows he gets to win the pot if he is ahead anyway

[DesD]

of course it happens, we've all seen it (as a td and a player) but so much goes on all the time, people will soft play but how do we monitor it ?.

So you  - one of the most Senior, experienced, best, & most respected TD's in the UK agree that it happens "all the time" - you clearly do - but think there is nothing we should try & do to prevent it? With respect, I'm astonished.

Let's agree we have a problem - I think we do agree, your Post says as much.

So now we have to find a means to combat it. And if a few innocents get mistakenly punished, by, say, an Orbit or two away from the Table, too bad, they won't die. We need to do something, & the innocent players deserve the same protection that the "same villagers" have enjoyed for so long.

I plan to chain myself to Buckingham Palace railings & go on hunger strike, or streak across a Cardroom, unless something is done.

  [ x ]   Hunger Strike.

  [   ]   Doesn't 'bare' thinking about.

[DesD]

I can't imagine any reason why some sort of Flop Bet was not made, if not by A-Q man, then certainly by K-K man, & that assumes the pre-flop play was "correct".

but now we're getting in to the realms of punishing people for not playing a hand 'well'.  We all play hands badly from time to time.......

It was a £100 Comp, not a £5 Rookie job, & the players knew - trust me - exactly how they'd play this against anyone else.....

....but can we have a rule in place which can be enforced at one level but not at another?