You are the TD

[Colchester Kev]

did the players know each other?

i tried collusion once and my mate knocked me out ffs. It doesnt work in the long run.

tell the story of the A5 v AJ on an AA5 flop mate

[celtic]

not on a public forum, i like my legs

[celtic]

did the players know each other?

i tried collusion once and my mate knocked me out ffs. It doesnt work in the long run.

A true friend would fold A10 after raising to 24,000 and it only costs another 6,000 to look up AA. Honestly.

declaring ur hand to the table and telling the dealer 'don't worry, he is calling' didnt really help. was trying to help u, u were very shortstacked and obv out of ur depth at that final table and could obviously do with the chips. ur aces werent even suited so dont moan.

[Wardonkey]

The essence of the problem is that most players and casino staff do not understand what constitutes collusion or soft play, they don't really know what it is or why it is against the rules.

You cannot ask cardroom staff to enforce a rule that they do not understand and penalise players that do not know that they have done anything wrong.

When I first began running tournaments I would be very reluctant to get involved in a situation that was likely to provoke an angry and confused response particularly when I was likely to get little or no support from casino management.

If you want to start making taking punitive measures against colluders or 'suspected colluders' then the poker community first need to be educated as to the different behaviors that constitute a breach of the rules and, perhaps more importantly, why those behaviors are considered to be cheating.

[The_nun]

It goes on far more than we'd like to belive I think. I saw a thing or two very very dodgy indeed, very recently but decided I am a chicken and chose not to be proved right or wrong.

[doubleup]

he means deplore.

I think

he's beyond salvation.

I reckon it's abhor..

+1


As far as the OP is concerned, you might as well not have bothered.  There is no way that anything can be done about this for several reasons probably the most important being that the staff don't have the knowledge or the inclination to make these kind of decisions.  If you don't like it, don't come back and if others don't like it they shouldn't go back. 

[kinboshi]

i apore soft play and collusion (why i donmt play MTT team comps)

I LOLed.

[relaedgc]

It's not that it's the casino staff being uneducated, but every single situation in poker is different. It's very hard to tell a player that "You didn't think to bet your Kings at all throughout the hand, and so we have reason to believe you are colluding or soft playing your hand now we're giving you a penalty."

Having heard the incident told to me by another blonde member, and realizing that these two individuals are friends, it's a little different. By friends, I mean two people that arrive in the same, talk to each other in their own language in between hands and generally are considered friends, then yes, I think there's more of a window for somebody to step in and say something. One of those incidents that require the application of common sense and knowledge to a particular situation, really.

It's just very hard to rule on, and potentially opening yourself up to a lot of trouble in the future.

[77dave]

I was playing $2/$5 in the Wynn with Riverdave last night.

He was in the BB with  5 way action limp to him and he checked the BB

Flop came    UTG bets $15 his buddy next to him called all others folded.

Turn and river check check UTG shows  his buddy calls  . Riverdave makes a compliant to dealer who just shugs and deals the next hand.

Ok its cash game not a comp but surely something should of been done

[boldie]

I was playing $2/$5 in the Wynn with Riverdave last night.

He was in the BB with  5 way action limp to him and he checked the BB

Flop came    UTG bets $15 his buddy next to him called all others folded.

Turn and river check check UTG shows  his buddy calls  . Riverdave makes a compliant to dealer who just shugs and deals the next hand.

Ok its cash game not a comp but surely something should of been done

yikes....why don't we just go back to the old days..just punch the crap out of two guys that play like that..like the cops did in Rounders

[DesD]

The essence of the problem is that most players and casino staff do not understand what constitutes collusion or soft play, they don't really know what it is or why it is against the rules.

You cannot ask cardroom staff to enforce a rule that they do not understand and penalise players that do not know that they have done anything wrong.

When I first began running tournaments I would be very reluctant to get involved in a situation that was likely to provoke an angry and confused response particularly when I was likely to get little or no support from casino management.

If you want to start making taking punitive measures against colluders or 'suspected colluders' then the poker community first need to be educated as to the different behaviors that constitute a breach of the rules and, perhaps more importantly, why those behaviors are considered to be cheating.

 

[doubleup]

I was playing $2/$5 in the Wynn with Riverdave last night.

He was in the BB with  5 way action limp to him and he checked the BB

Flop came    UTG bets $15 his buddy next to him called all others folded.

Turn and river check check UTG shows  his buddy calls  . Riverdave makes a compliant to dealer who just shugs and deals the next hand.

Ok its cash game not a comp but surely something should of been done

Why should anything be done? Unless they are actively colluding against other players or there is a rule in the casino that soft-playing isn't allowed, no one is affected.

[boldie]

I was playing $2/$5 in the Wynn with Riverdave last night.

He was in the BB with  5 way action limp to him and he checked the BB

Flop came    UTG bets $15 his buddy next to him called all others folded.

Turn and river check check UTG shows  his buddy calls  . Riverdave makes a compliant to dealer who just shugs and deals the next hand.

Ok its cash game not a comp but surely something should of been done

Why should anything be done? Unless they are actively colluding against other players or there is a rule in the casino that soft-playing isn't allowed, no one is affected.

everybody is affected as it means there will be less money on the table.

[Suited_Jock]

I was playing $2/$5 in the Wynn with Riverdave last night.

He was in the BB with  5 way action limp to him and he checked the BB

Flop came    UTG bets $15 his buddy next to him called all others folded.

Turn and river check check UTG shows  his buddy calls  . Riverdave makes a compliant to dealer who just shugs and deals the next hand.

Ok its cash game not a comp but surely something should of been done

Why should anything be done? Unless they are actively colluding against other players or there is a rule in the casino that soft-playing isn't allowed, no one is affected.

everybody is affected as it means there will be less money on the table.

There will be the same amount of money on the table DUCY?

[kinboshi]

I was playing $2/$5 in the Wynn with Riverdave last night.

He was in the BB with  5 way action limp to him and he checked the BB

Flop came    UTG bets $15 his buddy next to him called all others folded.

Turn and river check check UTG shows  his buddy calls  . Riverdave makes a compliant to dealer who just shugs and deals the next hand.

Ok its cash game not a comp but surely something should of been done

Why should anything be done? Unless they are actively colluding against other players or there is a rule in the casino that soft-playing isn't allowed, no one is affected.

everybody is affected as it means there will be less money on the table.

There will be the same amount of money on the table DUCY?

Not if someone is stacked and reloads (as would usually happen here).