the exposed 6

[Bongo]

Should the casino pay for their own mistakes?

Why should someone else pay for the Casino's mistakes?

[tikay]

Wow, this is a MINEFIELD, & takes us down a road we ought not to go.

The Broadway have set a precadent here that they will soon come to regret. The next time there is a dealer error, the loser is gonna demand compensation "cos you paid the geezer the other week". So it's the final hand of a big comp, 40k to the winner, 20k to the runner-up, and a mistake is made. The guy's gonna claim 20k? No chance of THAT getting through. And the next step would be to bribe a low paid dealer to deliberately make a mistake, then you are well & truly on the slippery slope. And how do you "value" or quantify a dealer error mid-comp that does not KO a player, but damages him - just think about THAT baby.....

"E & O E" was the "cover all" used in commerce, & indeed the bookmaking industry for many a year. And it's not unreasonable, in my view. If Casinos have to compensate for dealer errors, then they will soon withdraw the facilities they offer us in which to play our beloved game.

Mistakes happen, it's a fact of life. We just have to learn to live with them. It's only poker, after all.

OK, tikay taking cover now, me expecting to get mown down big style on this one!

[Bongo]

I think you made a fair point there tikay.

[tikay]

Phew, thought I was gonna get flamed to death - but still time, I guess....

By the way, I forgot to thank ifm for his excellent & thought provoking post - that is a CORKER!

"How cool was that?", ifm asked. SIZZLING!

[ifm]

Well obviously it's not ever gonna happen again, i just think the combo of a new casino opening trying to keep and attract custom and an (i think) inexperienced cardroom manager created a fairly unique situation.
I agree with you Tikay that you CANNOT go down the road of paying back possible prize money etc for all the reasons you say and more.
I see no reason though for a casino not to offer some sort of token gesture (a round of drinks, a meal, diamond encrusted rolex etc.) for a genuine dealer error that results in a major injustice for some poor soul.
It's not like they don't make money out of that person in the first place and could ensure future business.
I gotta say the free meals were totally unexpected and a most welcome and refreshing attitude from a casino, i'll certainly be going back to play their comps and hopefully they will build up their attendances to a good level.
Be interesting to hear from the blackpool grosvenor boys on this, is there a casino policy maybe?
Ian

[BlueWolf]

looks like the broadway are going to new levels of keeping players happy and as Tikay said it could cause a slippery desent into madness.

The ruliing of the the hand standing as the flop had been mucked was correct unfortunate as it is, dealers are only human after all and do make mistakes (are you telling me players dont?). Giving the guy his 20 back is a little miffy in my opinion but the free meal wasa good gesture and isnt the first instance i have heard along these lines.

Tikay makes some excellent points in his post too regarding consequences of dealer errors but untill the new batch of poker dealing cyborgs roll of the productionline these things will continue to happen.

[mikkyT]

hmm, good point, so do you think the card should go back into the deck so that at least it still has the chance to come?

if he hadnt lost his rag and exposed his cards that is!

I've always played under the rule that the exposed card and the rest of the pack is shuffled together and re-cut, to give it the chance to come out again. This is different to an exposed card whilst dealing the hole cards, where it becomes the burn card (unless more than one card is exposed in which case its a misdeal or where the first or second card dealt is exposed, in which case its a misdeal)

[Ruru]

 And the next step would be to bribe a low paid dealer to deliberately make a mistake, then you are well & truly on the slippery slope.

Trust tikay to think of ALL the angles

[snoopy1239]

ewww i hate to think of the reaction if we had insisted the dealer reshuiffled lol

Why would people cause such an uproar?

I'd like to see it put back into the pack, and a reshuffle take place.

In my view, the only feasible explaination for a negative reaction would be the haziness of the rules and their lack of uniformity. If everyone is aware of rule that is applied in all casinos, then no fuss would be made.

I'm with Tikay. An accepted set of rules is desperately required. Just think of the arguments that would be avoided. Boy, the Gala would be near silent.

[Yogi-Bear]

Rules that all casino's worked too?

I can't ever see the day. Grosvenor are meant to work to the same rules, But clubs add some, tweak some and ignore some.

Plus what I read as a rule, doesn't necessarily mean everyone reads it the same way.

And to legislate for every single thing that can go wrong will end up with the majority of wall space taken up with rules.

I agree that we should have the same rules but there are too many egos, and know it alls to get them sat down to agree to anything.

Yogi

[Dani Versace]

yogi is that directed at anyone in particular?

[Yogi-Bear]

Sounds like it doesnt it.

But no Everyone is as guilty as everyone else.

And I wasn't thinking in terms of just one casino group either. Countrywide you couldn't get people from each group to agree on rules. They will all agree they need to be uniform but no-one will give ground on specific rules they think right, and definately wouldn't consult with players on them. Stanleys want people in and playing so long as it doesn't take longer than 4/5 hours. Wouldn't know anything about Gala. And Grosvenor?? Well the least said the best there. Don't wanna upset anyone, by stating a point of view, that may well clash with others.

But I think everyone sees the problem, with uniform rules, but a lot of people don't won't or can't do anything about it. Even tho we do try.


Yogi

[BlueWolf]

you Walsall boys a bit paranoid aint ya? lmao

Midlanders dont trust you do they yogi??? lol

[morris]

it was me who had the 66 and to say it was the heat of the moment was right     .what i said that night was all out of frustration  if i offended anyone let me take this oppertunaty to appollagise   .IM NOT A BAD LOSER  as anyone who knows me will testify  ,i was treated with respect by the management all week  and wish to thank them ,it was the thought of how far will i go ,there was nearly 40,000 in the pot ,the initial raiser was stealing  .it was me who stoped the dearler from dearling the rest of the cards ,looking back if i let him carry on his hand is dead and i hit the trips ,any way lets get on with playing .and good luck to every one                             in barcelona                                                                                           

[RED-DOG]

Well said