the exposed 6

[RED-DOG]

during the main event at blackpool the dealer exposed the next card after one player had gone all in but before the other had acted.

the rule is that the card is mucked

 now this card made the all in player a set of , the other player had KK

result was, kk calls and all in man is out when he should have doubled through

would it not be more fair to let the exposed card play but allow no betting on that round?

not perfect I know, but better?

or am I missing something

 

[Bongo]

Lets say the all in guy had KK and the guy yet to act had 66. If he sees the 6 he is going to call. Is that a better situation? 

[Ironside]

i would have said that it would be better that the 6 was shuffled back into the pack

as it happened the card became the burn card and thus taking away one of the outs

[BlueWolf]

there was a little more to this story too. But anyway what good would stopping any betting in that round do? the guy who would have made the set 6's was already all in.

The fact the guy exposed his cards in anger after the 6 fell meant really he was out there and then as exposed cards are generally dead . It wasa difficult situation for me and yogi to deal with as technically it was 2 rulings neeeded instead of one. and as for the gentleman concerned reaction of " its F**kin S**t here, i'll never play here again *@#& etc" well we only followed the letter of the law and had the case 6 fell i'm sure he would have been grateful he wasnt declared dead so to speak

[RED-DOG]

hmm, good point, so do you think the card should go back into the deck so that at least it still has the chance to come?

if he hadnt lost his rag and exposed his cards that is!

[londonpokergirl]

The 6 should have had the chance of being back in the pack,
however how Tom Kremser did this in Deauville was that the river
card comes out exactly as it would do, but the 6 is shuffled back into
the pack to give it chance to come back out

[tikay]

It was very unfortunate, to say the least, but like life, poker occassionally throws us a curve ball, & there is nothing that can be done about it. It's how we cope with these things that matters. A mistake was made, & the poor guy busted out as a result - though he was drawing thin to start with - you just have to shrug your shoulders & get on with it. These things, in poker, even out over time. Whereas in life, it aint always so.

I know plenty of folks who have had bad breaks in life, accidents which were not not their fault, & the rest of their life is ruined. They have no choice but to accept it.

We are all guilty of over-reacting to poker's bad beats, but we need to keep a sense of perspective.

As for the guy throwing a wobbly, I don't think that was aimed at Management. It was just sheer frustration. He was entitled to be disappointed, & he'll be OK in a day or two, he's a decent guy.

All part of life's rich pagaent, whatever that means.....

Course, if we had a uniform set of rules, identical wherever & whenever we play, then the Yogi's of this world would not get it in the neck so often, & the players would know where they stood, & we would not have 3 or 4 different possible solutions to this situation. It never ceases to amaze me, not so much that we don't have uniform rules applied everywhere, but that the poker community don't seem bothered by it. Strange folks, we poker players.

[RED-DOG]

by the way BlueWolf, I wasnt having a pop m8, it was a horrible one to have to rule on

I just thought it was an interesting situation and wantet to get some views

[RED-DOG]

We are all guilty of over-reacting to poker's bad beats, but we need to keep a sense of perspective.

 

And with great age there came great wisdom...

[BlueWolf]

Its ok RedDog i never thought you were having a pop for a single minute.

Its just nice to get some positive comments about my work especially as i was considering giving up cardroom after the festival.

The current set of rules we have is wide open to interpretation, thus meaning we get unfortunate instances where you can get 4 or 5 rulings (none of which are technically wrong) for any 1 situation. IOn the end it comes down to common sense and a good reading of the situation in hand, but you cant please all the people all the time and every ruling is going to benefit someone and upset another hence why we get a lot of flack at times so its good to get some credit now and again.

A uniform set of rules is currently being laid down loosely based on the TDA rules used in America but even then after soem chopping and changing and as a new set of supervisorscoem and go even these wont be cast iron an even so if they were too concrete they would eliminate any need to actually make a decision it will be just anyone reciting some rule from paper.

[Bongo]

Thinking about this i think the fairest thing to do would be to reshuffle the remnants of the deck with the exposed card included. The only downside I can think of to this is that it would take an increased amount of time. Have i missed something?

[BlueWolf]

ewww i hate to think of the reaction if we had insisted the dealer reshuiffled lol

[Bongo]

Just tell them they should have done there job right in the first place 


(and then run for cover)

[BlueWolf]

i was reffering to the players, the dealers just do as we tell em lol

[ifm]

Just as a small aside, while at the new broadway casino in sunny brum the dealer dealt the flop, i went allin (trip 6's) a good pal of mine called (flush draw) and a.n. other called (dunno).
He then dealt another 2 cards face up then burnt 1 then dealt another 2!!!!
Amid plenty of cries (he did it very quickly) to no avail.
Basically i was given the hand and the cards mucked (again VERY quickly) by the dealer, he said even though he dealt too many the burn cards were correct and so the hand was fine.
We all protested (even me!! i know, i know) this was not so, my pal actually won the hand with a flush but because he'd scooped the cards the hand was deemed over by the cardroom manager.
Now, the point of all this is that this cost my friend a 20 buyin thru the fault of an inept dealer (he was inept at Walsall before leaving!!!) but...................
The cardroom manager refunded my pals 20!!!!!!!!!
Waddya think of that??
Is this the way to go?
Should the casino pay for their own mistakes?
Ian

BTW the casino manager heard we had a problem and approached us a little later and gave us complimentary meals for us and partners!!
How cool is that!!