Complex Hand Analysis - THE TURN - Cut Off

[dan]

i set him all in if he has me beat with JQ then so be it. im quite happy to take the pot down there if hes drawing to a flush then i dont mind him calling as the odds are in my favour again same story if he has trips.

[ifm]

I know, Harry just left it........maybe someone can go on THM and remind him about this thread(s)

[12barblues]

It needs to be finished........and then the whole series of threads included in 'Best of Blonde'.

Please, Harry?

[ifm]

It says he was last on here Christmas day, pm him and remind him

[12barblues]

Already PM'd him.

I guess he's been busy, but here's hoping he can finish the series.

[Harry Demetriou]

Oooooooooooooops!

It has been brought to my attention that I didn't complete this thread so here it is....

Unfotunately there is no real conclusion

On the turn the cutt off having made their straight bet the size of the pot and the buton folded.

An unsatisfactory end to the thread no doubt but there is a great deal of controversy over how much the cutt off should have bet.

Most people went for betting nothing or something very small to allow the button to continue with a further bet or bluff.

Personally having had the button bet the flop and then calling as the cut off, think it is more than reasonable to assume that the button had something and that as such it was unlikely that they would fold. Of course it is possible that the button was on a draw or complete bluff but due to the sheer numbers seeing the flop felt that it is reasonable to assume that the button is deep enough into this hand to have to call.

As such if they are on a draw I want to give them bad odds so will bet around 2/3 the pot or at least half the buttons remaining stack as I want ot play for all their money.

The button subsequently folding to a bet is neither here nor there because you don't have this information at the time it is your turn to act on fourth street.

If they are on a draw it would be criminal imho to allow an opponent to suck out on you at this critical stage of a tournament and the pot is big enough for you to take it down.

If they have you beat at this point with a bigger straight then its just too bad, I want all the buttons money and betting a paltry amount is not the way to get it. I want to bet hoping they have something like top pair and a straight draw or two pair so all the money will go in. Them folding is just unfortunate.

Well those are my views on this anyway.

[Harry Demetriou]

Sorry for forgetting about this...it coincided with either going to Monte Carlo or the USA and my having a mini internet access problem. Not like me to leave things up in the air...sincerest apologies.

[12barblues]

No need to apologise for providing the best analysis thread by miles!

Thank you. 

[tikay]

Thanks Harry.

We will forgive you - on THIS occasion - if you Post another Hand Analysis. We have this section now especially for Hand Analysis, so your input would be very welcome.

You should be aware that I have had a lot of PM's from blondes who have suggested that your Hand Analysis Posts should be added to the "Best of blonde" Section, so that shows how much the Members  value them. More please!

As to my view of the hand, I'd have moved all-in. But then again, have you ever seen my Heads-Up record? I did it yet again last night, playing fora first prize of $7k - I had a MASSIVE Heads-Up lead, but managed to blow it. Some things never change.