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« on: June 29, 2008, 12:07:46 PM »

Ok where did i spew,
What shoudl i have done differently
Could i have controlled the pot better

Did i really want my money in here?

I have $39 or there abouts
Villan has $23 or there abouts

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i have a feeling i fecked the hand completely
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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2008, 12:12:50 AM »

[  ] We can see what happened in this hand.
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2008, 12:33:55 AM »

[  ] this guy can see

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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2008, 12:51:00 AM »

Think you need new glasses
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2008, 12:52:49 AM »

I can see it but I've got nothing intelligent to say (nothing new there then!)
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2008, 10:30:10 AM »

right click, select view image, left click to zoom
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2008, 10:47:17 AM »

ok..did all the hard work..had a look and thought...Que?

You had 2 pair (not top 2) and the nutflush draw. You bet on the flop..fine, he calls..great. Then he leads out on the turn, what did you think he had there? (I HATE this move by him BTW..unless he had you down as a complete donkey.) And you decide to stick it all in. Did you think you were ahead here?

You just missed your flush draw, that's what happens some times...not very sick at all, really.
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2008, 11:16:38 AM »

ok..did all the hard work..had a look and thought...Que?

You had 2 pair (not top 2) and the nutflush draw. You bet on the flop..fine, he calls..great. Then he leads out on the turn, what did you think he had there? (I HATE this move by him BTW..unless he had you down as a complete donkey.) And you decide to stick it all in. Did you think you were ahead here?

You just missed your flush draw, that's what happens some times...not very sick at all, really.

I took him for 2 pair, he had done similar with 2 pair before, By shoving I expected him to give me credit for a monster, I just did not see the straight coming tbh.
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2008, 11:21:59 AM »

ok..did all the hard work..had a look and thought...Que?

You had 2 pair (not top 2) and the nutflush draw. You bet on the flop..fine, he calls..great. Then he leads out on the turn, what did you think he had there? (I HATE this move by him BTW..unless he had you down as a complete donkey.) And you decide to stick it all in. Did you think you were ahead here?

You just missed your flush draw, that's what happens some times...not very sick at all, really.

I took him for 2 pair, he had done similar with 2 pair before, By shoving I expected him to give me credit for a monster, I just did not see the straight coming tbh.

That explains it mate..he represented the monster and he actually had it lol.
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2008, 11:22:35 AM »

IMO this was a ridic play to call your entire stack on what is basically a drawing hand, the range that u could be behind to here is so wide u have no choice but to insta fold to any other action other than a check/check...imo u need to concentrate more on playing your cards rather than ur opponent....;-)
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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2008, 11:24:07 AM »

IMO this was a ridic play to call your entire stack on what is basically a drawing hand, the range that u could be behind to here is so wide u have no choice but to insta fold to any other action other than a check/check...imo u need to concentrate more on playing your cards rather than ur opponent....;-)

he shoved
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2008, 11:25:40 AM »

ok boldie, sorry, but to shove OR call is still ridic IMO.
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2008, 11:38:05 AM »

soo Um, back to the original questions, Not that I would ever deny someone the chance to go Billy bashing, I just wanted some specific answers, extra advice is always appeciated though.

Ok where did i spew,
What shoudl i have done differently
Could i have controlled the pot better

Did i really want my money in here?
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2008, 11:56:19 AM »

soo Um, back to the original questions, Not that I would ever deny someone the chance to go Billy bashing, I just wanted some specific answers, extra advice is always appeciated though.

Ok where did i spew,
What shoudl i have done differently
Could i have controlled the pot better

Did i really want my money in here?

1.a raise pre is fine,re-raise is fine
2.flop is ok (ish ) , but if hes called ur raise u have to assume he has something and not air, so what u have is a marginal drawing hand, two pair, and not top two, could be behind to trips or bigger two pair?, so i would bet for information ..
3.u cannot be sure ur ahead, so you cant call a all in shove or push urself, u bet, he raises u fold..
4.No u dont want ur money in here...
5. there are variations to this question but as a hard and fast rule imo at this level u should try and stick to a certain pattern formulae.
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