Joey Barton

[The Baron]

How the sentence is even in question is beyond me. I think it should have been longer for such a sickening attack.

This isn't two lads scrapping in a match in the heat of the moment or someone saying "yeah I did want to buckle him coz he pissed me off" - this is a guy who attacked another man from behind as he walked away, then punched him repeatedly whilst the other guy didn't was on the ground not retaliating tryin to do him some serious damage. It's sickening. It's not remotely comparable to any of the examples listed above.

I don't really care what rules were in place, common sense says the book should be thrown at him. As he plays football in a league in England, of course it's the FA's jurisdiction. They cant be expect to have rules in place for stuff like this because you don't expect stuff like this to happen.

Our kids aren't stupid, they know the difference between an on field scrap between two players who give a shit and a guy aiming to seriously hurt another through malicious violence. Of course he should be made an example of. What he did has no defence.

If I did that to a guy in the street I'd expect ramifications in my fied of work too and rightly so.

[MANTIS01]

Funny because Dwain Chambers made a mistake. He didn't hurt anyone. But he has been absolutely lambasted for his error. He cannot run for his country in the olympics ever again and is seen as complete scum in many quarters. However, Barton who beats innocent people to a pulp is given chance after chance after chance and can continue playing his particular sport at the same level as before with the complete backing of his club. Am I missing something?

[mondatoo]

Funny because Dwain Chambers made a mistake. He didn't hurt anyone. But he has been absolutely lambasted for his error. He cannot run for his country in the olympics ever again and is seen as complete scum in many quarters. However, Barton who beats innocent people to a pulp is given chance after chance after chance and can continue playing his particular sport at the same level as before with the complete backing of his club. Am I missing something?

Chambers didnt really make a mistake to be fair he choose to take drugs and he knew what the repercussions where so if he was that bothered he wouldn't have done so in the 1st place.As for joey barton we should've sacked him he's total scum however, the fact we haven't will not have any effect on fans choosing to support our team we'll still go, i personally won't be supporting him and i'm unsure what kind of reaction he will get.As for the ban i don't really care he's shit anyway.

[MANTIS01]

Yep Chambers chose to take drugs and Barton chose to try and blind two of his colleagues and chose to batter some kid senseless in the streets. Chambers choosing the wrong route has led to the end of his career. Barton choosing the wrong route three times has not affected his career much at all. The reason is money. If Barton was some run-of-the-mill youth player Newcastle would have made some big deal about how they do not tolerate that sort of behaviour. Football clubs are pivotal in communities, especially so in a place like Toon. Showing that this behaviour should be tolerated is a tremendously bad example to set and is contributing to a crumbling society. I think clubs have some form of social responsibility to the communities they are part of. Newcastle fail badly in this area.

I really do think that his presence will affect the level of support Newcastle get both home, away, and from within next season. I do agree that he is shit though. I would love him to come swinging at me while I'm trying to enjoy a vanilla shake outside Maccy D's. I would take great pleasure in taking his arrogant oasis inspired-head clean off his short stubby body.

[mondatoo]

Yep Chambers chose to take drugs and Barton chose to try and blind two of his colleagues and chose to batter some kid senseless in the streets. Chambers choosing the wrong route has led to the end of his career. Barton choosing the wrong route three times has not affected his career much at all. The reason is money. If Barton was some run-of-the-mill youth player Newcastle would have made some big deal about how they do not tolerate that sort of behaviour. Football clubs are pivotal in communities, especially so in a place like Toon. Showing that this behaviour should be tolerated is a tremendously bad example to set and is contributing to a crumbling society. I think clubs have some form of social responsibility to the communities they are part of. Newcastle fail badly in this area.

I really do think that his presence will affect the level of support Newcastle get both home, away, and from within next season. I do agree that he is shit though. I would love him to come swinging at me while I'm trying to enjoy a vanilla shake outside Maccy D's. I would take great pleasure in taking his arrogant oasis inspired-head clean off his short stubby body.

I guarentee that this will not affect support one little bit we will stll sell out most home games like last season and will still fill our allocation for all away games.

I agree with what your saying but rules are rules maybe there should be a rule in football where if you are found guilty on at least 3 seperate occassions to assaulting someone then you get a lifetime ban from playing ?

[Rooky9]

I have about 5 replies part written over the last day or so and deleted them.

Firstly I do thing Joey Barton is a tit, and an average footballer at best, who played well below that last year.

I just don't think that because of people believeing the justice system has let him off lightly (the order that the cases were heard did the system no favours) means that a separate incident should have increased punishment to make up for it. A stamp or a few punches, it does happen on training grounds. He didn't beat this guy (Dabo) up for a few minutes, with it being a training session there would be people pulling him off in seconds - so I think it is comparative to kicking someone in the head pretty much full force, leg breaking type tackles or elbowing someone in the face delibrately. In terms of offences committed on football pitches, either in stadiums or training, Joey Barton is well down the list for thugs & dangerous individuals.

Of course if it was some nobody player who had no value to the club they would just get shot - but Joey Barton does have a value at this moment in time and the people who make these decisions (as they are entitled to) have decided the costs aren't as high as that value. There would be no sense in keeping someone who had no value and had costs. I don't think they would do it morally it would just be an obviously football/business decision. you think that roy Keane, who delibratelty planned to damage people who have lasted at Man U if he hadn't been a top player? no way.

Baron I don't think the sentence has been brought into question in the thread has it? Also I thing your talking about the McD's incident not the training ground one?

Football being pivotal in communities, especially 'toon'?  What the hell does that mean? It sounds like your refering to Newcastle as being an underdeveloped place where the people all act like lemings following what the footballers do, or that its an area that suffers from particularly poor social disorder? NUFC is a big part of the city and a significant number of people in the area - but I really don't subscribe to him being in a position to set example. He did wrong and went to prison, pretty clear message to any kids, who should have parents setting examples anyway. you can't set examples without pointing out poor ones. Society isn't going to crumble on tyneside, or anywhere else for that matter, because of Joey Barton! How many footballers have been setting examples of stabbing people in London? Society has its own problems, completely unrelated to football. Is anyone going to look at Joey Barton and thinks well his punishment doesn't seem too bad, I'll go and do that - no!

I was also saying that Chambers (who made a mistake everytime he injected/swallowed and ran under the influence) should have been allowed to run.... I do have ethics, honestly, ridiculously high in truth! I'm just willing to follow that people are given chances after being punished for mistakes.

[Rooky9]

Chambers choosing the wrong route has led to the end of his career.

Chambers career is not over because of drugs at all! He is still the best sprinter in the country and proved it a couple of weeks ago. the only thing he can't do is run in the Olympics - which was a set rule before he made his 100's of mistakes.

[Rod Paradise]

I have about 5 replies part written over the last day or so and deleted them.

Firstly I do thing Joey Barton is a tit, and an average footballer at best, who played well below that last year.

I just don't think that because of people believeing the justice system has let him off lightly (the order that the cases were heard did the system no favours) means that a separate incident should have increased punishment to make up for it. A stamp or a few punches, it does happen on training grounds. He didn't beat this guy (Dabo) up for a few minutes, with it being a training session there would be people pulling him off in seconds - so I think it is comparative to kicking someone in the head pretty much full force, leg breaking type tackles or elbowing someone in the face delibrately. In terms of offences committed on football pitches, either in stadiums or training, Joey Barton is well down the list for thugs & dangerous individuals.

Of course if it was some nobody player who had no value to the club they would just get shot - but Joey Barton does have a value at this moment in time and the people who make these decisions (as they are entitled to) have decided the costs aren't as high as that value. There would be no sense in keeping someone who had no value and had costs. I don't think they would do it morally it would just be an obviously football/business decision. you think that roy Keane, who delibratelty planned to damage people who have lasted at Man U if he hadn't been a top player? no way.

Baron I don't think the sentence has been brought into question in the thread has it? Also I thing your talking about the McD's incident not the training ground one?

Football being pivotal in communities, especially 'toon'?  What the hell does that mean? It sounds like your refering to Newcastle as being an underdeveloped place where the people all act like lemings following what the footballers do, or that its an area that suffers from particularly poor social disorder? NUFC is a big part of the city and a significant number of people in the area - but I really don't subscribe to him being in a position to set example. He did wrong and went to prison, pretty clear message to any kids, who should have parents setting examples anyway. you can't set examples without pointing out poor ones. Society isn't going to crumble on tyneside, or anywhere else for that matter, because of Joey Barton! How many footballers have been setting examples of stabbing people in London? Society has its own problems, completely unrelated to football. Is anyone going to look at Joey Barton and thinks well his punishment doesn't seem too bad, I'll go and do that - no!

I was also saying that Chambers (who made a mistake everytime he injected/swallowed and ran under the influence) should have been allowed to run.... I do have ethics, honestly, ridiculously high in truth! I'm just willing to follow that people are given chances after being punished for mistakes.

Where does Barton's previous come into it? - cigar into youth player's eye comes to mind.

I'd a lot of respect for the support who rebelled against their team signing Lee Bowyer (Southampton?) after his offenses.

If I played for Keegan and he wanted Barton in the team I'd be reconsidering my bosses valuation of me & the rest of the team with a violent coward who'll attack with a) the benefit of surprise, b) his 'crew' being welcomed back.

[Rooky9]

Good question - Into this punishment (games banned for Dabo incident) it doesn't for me. In my thing of being willing to give people chances after punishment there is an assumption that each mistake comes with a heavier punishment. There is a football thing and a social thing here. Separate for me.

[Josedinho]

"...at one stage he tackled me from behind, which I didn't take kindly to, so I then tackled him back, which got him very angry. We then had a bit of a push and a shove, as you see at training grounds almost every day, and I thought that was the end of that. But then, as I was turning away to rejoin the training game, Barton thumped me from behind on the right temple. That knocked me down and, while I was falling, he hit me again several times in the face.."
Joey Barton is comfortably top of any thug list in the premiership.

[MANTIS01]

Rooky9, you have made good points throughout this thread and presented a good defence. No doubt a lot of the things you say at this time are mirrored by Newcastle United. But it is difficult to get away from the point you make about his valuation being the catalyst for this defence. Money being put ahead of morality is deffo a sign of a society in decline.

Just to clarify the point about communities. I remember a study some years ago that showed when your football club won the productivity for workers in the area rose significantly the following week. If your team lost productivity dropped. So it is fair to say that what happens at a football club has an influence on the community in general. The reason I say especially Toon is not because I see Newcastle as underdeveloped but because I see them as probably the most passionate fans in the country. It's like a religion up there no? If you have a lot of fans living and breathing the football club they will be affected generally by the goings on there. I don't necessarily think the fans will follow Barton as an example. But I do think avid fans could be influenced by the club itself. If a guy kicks off in his factory and punches a colleague the Newcastle fan boss of the factory could conclude that the guy is a good worker and deserves a second chance. Kicking off and attacking colleagues becomes a less serious offence because of the examples being set. Then society goes down the road where violence is tolerated. And I don't think it should be tolerated.

[kinboshi]

Chambers choosing the wrong route has led to the end of his career.

Chambers career is not over because of drugs at all! He is still the best sprinter in the country and proved it a couple of weeks ago. the only thing he can't do is run in the Olympics - which was a set rule before he made his 100's of mistakes.

Absolutely.  He can still make tens of thousands of pounds each time he runs.  His career is far from over - unfortunately.

[Josedinho]

I echo Mantis when he says Rooky has made some good points i just disagree with him and feel i'm a bit more impartial too.

[Rooky9]

My 2000th post was on joey barton, oh dear! Not sure which one.

A possible new owner on the horizon now - it's never quiet at nufc that's for sure!

[The Baron]

Baron I don't think the sentence has been brought into question in the thread has it? Also I thing your talking about the McD's incident not the training ground one?

No I'm not. Reading what Dabo and surrounding payers said about the attack it sounded as bad as the McDonald's one.

He didn't beat this guy (Dabo) up for a few minutes, with it being a training session there would be people pulling him off in seconds - so I think it is comparative to kicking someone in the head pretty much full force, leg breaking type tackles or elbowing someone in the face delibrately. In terms of offences committed on football pitches, either in stadiums or training, Joey Barton is well down the list for thugs & dangerous individuals.

With this statement I don't think you can have read people's statements from the incident. Barton beat the living shit out of a guy from behind and continued to do so whilst he was on the floor not fighting back. He hit Paul Dickov who tried to break it up. Joe Hart said he hit him repeatedly in the face. Samaras said he was physically shocked at what he saw and it is something he'd never forget.