Maureen, Reece & family

[kinboshi]

Bank transfers = bad idea.  You only need to read anything written by Frank Abagnale to get that far. I'd firmly suggest not giving bank details to people you don't really know, and even then. I'd also stop using cheques completely though so maybe I'm just ott.

Best must be for someone with a decent role and activity on stars or tilt to collect funds and send on to the nun the same amount from their own money (cash or cheque etc), then withdrawing the funds overtime to cover the payment from their own money. Difficult to audit though!

You don't have to give your details to anyone.  I can post up the sort code and account number of a savings account (with no notice period to withdraw funds)  - people transfer money into the account and then the money is transferred from this account to Maureen's.

Why is that a bad idea?

[Rooky9]

Bank transfers = bad idea.  You only need to read anything written by Frank Abagnale to get that far. I'd firmly suggest not giving bank details to people you don't really know, and even then. I'd also stop using cheques completely though so maybe I'm just ott.

Best must be for someone with a decent role and activity on stars or tilt to collect funds and send on to the nun the same amount from their own money (cash or cheque etc), then withdrawing the funds overtime to cover the payment from their own money. Difficult to audit though!

You don't have to give your details to anyone.  I can post up the sort code and account number of a savings account (with no notice period to withdraw funds)  - people transfer money into the account and then the money is transferred from this account to Maureen's.

Why is that a bad idea?

With a sort code, account number and probably a full name within a few seconds you have a nice solid base for identity theft. (and there can be debates all day about 'well you can only deposit funds with that info' or 'at worst a direct debit can be set up' but honestly I just would really stay away from having those details on the net or being sent to anyone - trust is not a control) Anyhow going well off topic now and don't want to take anything away from the initiative.

[jizzemm]

All sort of charities have their bank details available to deposit into. . . .

[Rooky9]

All sort of charities have their bank details available to deposit into. . . .

and business have them on all their invoices. Its a lot harder to take the identity of a company than an individual.

[kinboshi]

Bank transfers = bad idea.  You only need to read anything written by Frank Abagnale to get that far. I'd firmly suggest not giving bank details to people you don't really know, and even then. I'd also stop using cheques completely though so maybe I'm just ott.

Best must be for someone with a decent role and activity on stars or tilt to collect funds and send on to the nun the same amount from their own money (cash or cheque etc), then withdrawing the funds overtime to cover the payment from their own money. Difficult to audit though!

You don't have to give your details to anyone.  I can post up the sort code and account number of a savings account (with no notice period to withdraw funds)  - people transfer money into the account and then the money is transferred from this account to Maureen's.

Why is that a bad idea?

With a sort code, account number and probably a full name within a few seconds you have a nice solid base for identity theft. (and there can be debates all day about 'well you can only deposit funds with that info' or 'at worst a direct debit can be set up' but honestly I just would really stay away from having those details on the net or being sent to anyone - trust is not a control) Anyhow going well off topic now and don't want to take anything away from the initiative.

If I give you an account number and sort code for a saving account - good luck setting up anything from that.  You won't even know whose name the account is in.  It might be a business account.

[Rooky9]

Bank transfers = bad idea.  You only need to read anything written by Frank Abagnale to get that far. I'd firmly suggest not giving bank details to people you don't really know, and even then. I'd also stop using cheques completely though so maybe I'm just ott.

Best must be for someone with a decent role and activity on stars or tilt to collect funds and send on to the nun the same amount from their own money (cash or cheque etc), then withdrawing the funds overtime to cover the payment from their own money. Difficult to audit though!

You don't have to give your details to anyone.  I can post up the sort code and account number of a savings account (with no notice period to withdraw funds)  - people transfer money into the account and then the money is transferred from this account to Maureen's.

Why is that a bad idea?

With a sort code, account number and probably a full name within a few seconds you have a nice solid base for identity theft. (and there can be debates all day about 'well you can only deposit funds with that info' or 'at worst a direct debit can be set up' but honestly I just would really stay away from having those details on the net or being sent to anyone - trust is not a control) Anyhow going well off topic now and don't want to take anything away from the initiative.

If I give you an account number and sort code for a saving account - good luck setting up anything from that.  You won't even know whose name the account is in.  It might be a business account.

I could tell the the branch address and type of account (depending on which bank) and that would be a nice thread. I go into the actual branch to give it more credability and ask to make a payment to the account by cheque - ask the cashier nicely what the exact account name is to make sure I get it right on the cheque and I'm another step closer. I'm not saying if you post it you'll have your identity stolen, but you would be giving a decent pro a cracking start. If its a business account I'd now have a better profile on you for further building.

Its a shame identity fraud is illegal, its such an interesting and challenging subject - it would make a nice career.

[The_nun]

Pm's sent re: returning of funds that Stars refused to allow.

Thanks all for trying.


xx

[The_nun]

THis is unreal,

Just minutes after returning money they send me this ..lol.

Hello Maureen  Thank you for contacting PokerStars! Please be informed you cash out has been approved. Please keep in mind this was a onetime exception and this will never be done again. You were explained you are not allowed to withdrawal funds coming from transfers. Future cashouts that fit this pattern will not be approved. We would like to thank you for your support towards our security procedures. Please understand these procedures are designed to maintain a safe playing environment for all PokerStars players. Best regards, WalterLPokerStars Security Team

Too late Stars but thanks.

[mondatoo]

Can we not quickly send the funds back and the withdrawal would still go thru.

[pokerram]

typical gaming sites i cashed cheque from party poker 3 days l8r it bounces putting me off online poker.
hope ur all doing aswell as can be exspected.
steve claire and kids xx

[celtic]

THis is unreal,

Just minutes after returning money they send me this ..lol.

Hello Maureen  Thank you for contacting PokerStars! Please be informed you cash out has been approved. Please keep in mind this was a onetime exception and this will never be done again. You were explained you are not allowed to withdrawal funds coming from transfers. Future cashouts that fit this pattern will not be approved. We would like to thank you for your support towards our security procedures. Please understand these procedures are designed to maintain a safe playing environment for all PokerStars players. Best regards, WalterLPokerStars Security Team

Too late Stars but thanks.

Must have changed policy. Last year i won money on sicilian's account, transferred to me and i withdrew it. Either way glad u got it sorted Maureen.

Best Wishes

[The_nun]

Not so sure sorted was the right word as returned the funds. I do understand that they need these rules in place.

[celtic]

Not so sure sorted was the right word as returned the funds. I do understand that they need these rules in place.

ahh right see what u mean now, u had returned them to the contributors then got the e-mail from stars. sorry my mistake!!

[tikay]

Lest there be confusion - sorry, more confusion - can I just try & clarify where we are with this - at least, as  I understand it.

Numerous blondes transferred cash across to Maureen on 'Stars.

Maureen tried to withdraw it, as envisaged, but 'Stars would not permit it. (Quite possibly, with good reason).

Lots of e-Mails went back & forth to various members of 'Stars Customer Support. Variously, 'Stars said, words to the effect,  "hmm, not sure, it's against our Rules, but we may make an exception in this case".

After chasing them for some days, & getting no replies, Maureen decided it would be best to return the cash to the Donors, by "re-transferring" it back. She did not feel it "right" that donated cash was still sitting in her 'Stars account, as there may be some who might consider this improper.

So tonight, she transferred all the donations back, & PM'd the Donors to advise them.

Moments later, 'Stars wrote & said "it's OK, you can do it".

But it was too late by then. It never rains......

Please bear with us for 24 hours while we scratch our heads & see if we can find, & agree, oin a better & more practical method.

Mother Hen has already offered to "accept" all Donations to his 'Stars Account, leave them here, & issue a personal cheque to Maureen for the donated amount. I guess the same logic could be used by several of us, & I & or others would, I'm sure, offer the same facility. The problem though is transparency & accountability.

Please give us 24 hours to find the best answer to this. Many of you want to help with this, so there'll be no giving up on our (the blondes) part. We just need to discuss, agree, & set up a practical means of doing it.

Thanks.

[The_nun]

I have already withdrawn some doantions like stated previously. Those that I have returned have received pm's and msn's. My Stars account reamins empty now as it was prior to receiving any monies from Blondes as I did not want you guys thinking I was playing it off.