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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2008, 01:33:12 PM »

playin 1/2 live, sittin wiv 440. utg makes it 8, utg+1 (villain) calls, i am button wiv 

my standard play is a reraise here but on this occasion i decide to just call. flop is    two hearts. utg bets out 15, next guy calls, i make it 40 more, utg thinks and folds. utg+1 insta calls.

history on villain : has just played a hand similar on a draw heavy board, he called an initial bet and then insta called the sb check raise, and bet out strong when draw hit on river. we never saw the hand but can presume he made his draw on end.  so my thoughts at thisd point he is on a draw

turn  , he checks, i bet 85, he insta shoves for 220 more

is this an easy call? wot can he have? thoughts??

The turn push is screaming pair flush draw yes.
But in cash games I keep the pot small here because I only have a pair here.
The best news about this hand is obv the two hearts on the flop, who is sitting there with a set that lets someone getting busy see a turn for cheap??
To my mind the thinking in villain goes: oh man this guy has an ace here but oh man am i strong on this flop, i should really reraise or push here (like in them tourneys) but man i have a flush draw too, and just middle pair, how can I not improve, let's wait for the turn bet it's a heart (TURN) oh **** it's not a heart! I still only have this smaller pair and there's only one card to come and what if it's not a heart, look at this pot now I want it so bad, but what if I bet on the turn and he shoves, let me just check see what happens, oh no he's bet! what if I call and don't hit? I just have the sevens! Best shove now.
If you can put him on that, you can call. Given the hearts already there, and the danger they present, you can likely rule out a bigger hand than yours so maybe you should be the one shoving on the turn. The only exception to this is if the table thinks you a slag/drunk/donk/etc and they are prepared to give you a bit of rope even with two hearts and they have a set or suchlike.
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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2008, 01:53:23 PM »

The only exception to this is if the table thinks you are a slag/drunk/donk/etc good player and they are prepared to give you a bit of rope even with two hearts and they have a set or suchlike.

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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2008, 01:58:10 PM »

The only exception to this is if the table thinks you are a slag/drunk/donk/etc good player and they are prepared to give you a bit of rope even with two hearts and they have a set or suchlike.

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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2008, 02:07:35 PM »

[X] Bad bad player raise sets just because there are 2 hearts out
[X] Good players realise the guy raising probably doesn't have a FD so set the trap with a set
[X] Live micro stake players are all useless
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« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2008, 02:50:33 PM »

If villain is a creative player then I call here, the fact he called a raise UTG+1 with 73sooted tells you a lot.
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« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2008, 11:19:52 PM »

If villain is a creative player then I call here, the fact he called a raise UTG+1 with 73sooted tells you a lot.


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« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2008, 09:29:03 PM »

I'd fold here, possibility of bluff is slim to range of hands that have you fucked. I would have checked the turn.
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