Poker - it's a messy business.....

[DaveShoelace]

The agents at the Main Event peed me off. We (Party) had a qualifier who had worn our colours all week, and on Day 6 he was on feature table with Hellmuth. As he was sitting down at start of the day and unpacking chips, an agent from another site tried to get him to switch patches for 20K! Our player was trying to prepare mentally for the biggest poker session of his life - and some clown starts messing his head up at the table, in front of audience. Unbelievable!
Anyway, our man stuck with us and I'm very pleased to say went on to cash for $96,000.

Did Party give added value to the package he'd won? If not, I don't think he actually owes Party anything, and maybe should have accepted the deal.

Winning a satellite is a different bag from being sponsored by that site. Though, I guess the T&C at Party stated that online qualifiers have to wear Party clothing?...

e.g. If Dan Carter started wearing UB when he's on final table of next years WSOP ME, I'd be massively peed off.
If an online qualifier did the same, I'd still be disappointed, but I'd have to agree they'd be mad to turn a big offer down. I guess I'd hope they still wore my room's logo at the same time somehow.

You could get a little ".co.uk" patch and if their new logo said "Full Tilt Poker" you could put it at the end of the last word, sorted!

[dino1980]

I cant help but think that at least one of the November 9 are going to bring scandal to the game. Whether that be sponsorship scandal, betting fixing scandal, some sort of past history that they didnt want revealed etc etc etc

Score one for David 'Chino' Rheem:

x-posted from 2+2

David "Chino" Rheem, who played poker in South Florida in the early 2000s, beat out 6,835 players to make the final table in the World Series of Poker's main event.
Eight years ago in Broward County, Rheem was convicted of dealing in stolen property and burglary, both felonies, as well as larceny and possession of marijuana, court records show. He was sentenced to four months jail time and 30 months probation.

He also failed to appear in court on a 2003 misdemeanor trespassing charge in Hollywood, according to state criminal records, leading to a court order for his arrest. The warrant for his arrest remains active.

Rheem could not be reached for comment. Neither Rheem's main sponsor, PokerStars.net, nor World Series officials said they knew of Rheem's background.

From Sun Sentinel.com

[SuffolkPunch]

The agents at the Main Event peed me off. We (Party) had a qualifier who had worn our colours all week, and on Day 6 he was on feature table with Hellmuth. As he was sitting down at start of the day and unpacking chips, an agent from another site tried to get him to switch patches for 20K! Our player was trying to prepare mentally for the biggest poker session of his life - and some clown starts messing his head up at the table, in front of audience. Unbelievable!
Anyway, our man stuck with us and I'm very pleased to say went on to cash for $96,000.

Did Party give added value to the package he'd won? If not, I don't think he actually owes Party anything, and maybe should have accepted the deal.

Winning a satellite is a different bag from being sponsored by that site. Though, I guess the T&C at Party stated that online qualifiers have to wear Party clothing?...

e.g. If Dan Carter started wearing UB when he's on final table of next years WSOP ME, I'd be massively peed off.
If an online qualifier did the same, I'd still be disappointed, but I'd have to agree they'd be mad to turn a big offer down. I guess I'd hope they still wore my room's logo at the same time somehow.

Yes - covered in T&Cs that he can't wear other colours.

[Jon MW]

Legally does agreeing to T's & C's constitute a contract?

Or would it not be covered by contract law but something else?

[DaveShoelace]

I cant help but think that at least one of the November 9 are going to bring scandal to the game. Whether that be sponsorship scandal, betting fixing scandal, some sort of past history that they didnt want revealed etc etc etc

Score one for David 'Chino' Rheem:

x-posted from 2+2

David "Chino" Rheem, who played poker in South Florida in the early 2000s, beat out 6,835 players to make the final table in the World Series of Poker's main event.
Eight years ago in Broward County, Rheem was convicted of dealing in stolen property and burglary, both felonies, as well as larceny and possession of marijuana, court records show. He was sentenced to four months jail time and 30 months probation.

He also failed to appear in court on a 2003 misdemeanor trespassing charge in Hollywood, according to state criminal records, leading to a court order for his arrest. The warrant for his arrest remains active.

Rheem could not be reached for comment. Neither Rheem's main sponsor, PokerStars.net, nor World Series officials said they knew of Rheem's background.

From Sun Sentinel.com

Yep, Ive actually bet on Rheem after finding this out (Not because he is a convict, but because he is a good player) and it woudlnt suprise me if he wins, just so the media can do another 'poker shamed once again' story.

Would have been funny if UB sponsored him

[byronkincaid]

The agents at the Main Event peed me off. We (Party) had a qualifier who had worn our colours all week, and on Day 6 he was on feature table with Hellmuth. As he was sitting down at start of the day and unpacking chips, an agent from another site tried to get him to switch patches for 20K! Our player was trying to prepare mentally for the biggest poker session of his life - and some clown starts messing his head up at the table, in front of audience. Unbelievable!
Anyway, our man stuck with us and I'm very pleased to say went on to cash for $96,000.

Did Party give added value to the package he'd won? If not, I don't think he actually owes Party anything, and maybe should have accepted the deal.

Winning a satellite is a different bag from being sponsored by that site. Though, I guess the T&C at Party stated that online qualifiers have to wear Party clothing?...

e.g. If Dan Carter started wearing UB when he's on final table of next years WSOP ME, I'd be massively peed off.
If an online qualifier did the same, I'd still be disappointed, but I'd have to agree they'd be mad to turn a big offer down. I guess I'd hope they still wore my room's logo at the same time somehow.

Yes - covered in T&Cs that he can't wear other colours.

or what will happen?

[boldie]

I cant help but think that at least one of the November 9 are going to bring scandal to the game. Whether that be sponsorship scandal, betting fixing scandal, some sort of past history that they didnt want revealed etc etc etc

Score one for David 'Chino' Rheem:

x-posted from 2+2

David "Chino" Rheem, who played poker in South Florida in the early 2000s, beat out 6,835 players to make the final table in the World Series of Poker's main event.
Eight years ago in Broward County, Rheem was convicted of dealing in stolen property and burglary, both felonies, as well as larceny and possession of marijuana, court records show. He was sentenced to four months jail time and 30 months probation.

He also failed to appear in court on a 2003 misdemeanor trespassing charge in Hollywood, according to state criminal records, leading to a court order for his arrest. The warrant for his arrest remains active.

Rheem could not be reached for comment. Neither Rheem's main sponsor, PokerStars.net, nor World Series officials said they knew of Rheem's background.

From Sun Sentinel.com

 This isone of  the problems with this 3 month gap..it gives the media a chance to drag up anything you might have done in the past...and they will because it sells. For some reason poker is being promoted as "A gentleman's game" which is of course the biggest load of bollox that has ever been claimed since O.J. walked free. But now the media have been given three months to drag up anything they can find on the FT players, the FT players stand no chance of remaining (relatively) anonymous where as they used to be able to just stay quiet and dissapear after the FT over the past few years...and people will moan about how "poker gets dragged down again"..Before you know it sites will ask people to sign wavers saying that they have done nothing that "could discredit the sponsor" when they qualify on a certain site when of course they won't owe that site anything. Big load of bollox.

[byronkincaid]

"..Before you know it sites will ask people to sign wavers saying that they have done nothing that "could discredit the sponsor" when they qualify on a certain site when of course they won't owe that site anything

like FT sponsored convicted drug dealer mike matasow?

[marcro]

The money involved has completely changed the dynamics of the game and competition should result for a better deal for the player. 

I was at this year's WSOP and was on the feature table on day 4.  There were agents standing by handing out $15k to players to wear their logo.  I won my seat on Ladbrokes and agreed to wear their logo and rejected the offers.  However, there is value to the online sites in having their logo on TV and I do not think that it is unreasonable to reward the player in some way if they display the online sites logo on the TV table.

Pokerstars have recognised this and lead the way by giving the player a cash bonus each time they feature on the TV table.

[AlexMartin]

The agents at the Main Event peed me off. We (Party) had a qualifier who had worn our colours all week, and on Day 6 he was on feature table with Hellmuth. As he was sitting down at start of the day and unpacking chips, an agent from another site tried to get him to switch patches for 20K! Our player was trying to prepare mentally for the biggest poker session of his life - and some clown starts messing his head up at the table, in front of audience. Unbelievable!
Anyway, our man stuck with us and I'm very pleased to say went on to cash for $96,000.

Did Party give added value to the package he'd won? If not, I don't think he actually owes Party anything, and maybe should have accepted the deal.

Winning a satellite is a different bag from being sponsored by that site. Though, I guess the T&C at Party stated that online qualifiers have to wear Party clothing?...

e.g. If Dan Carter started wearing UB when he's on final table of next years WSOP ME, I'd be massively peed off.
If an online qualifier did the same, I'd still be disappointed, but I'd have to agree they'd be mad to turn a big offer down. I guess I'd hope they still wore my room's logo at the same time somehow.

Yes - covered in T&Cs that he can't wear other colours.

Huh? Doubt these T+C's would stand up in a court with the hoohaa surrounding online poker and wsop qualifiers. Personally, i would deffo have taken the 20k assuming he has no close affiliation with party and no sponsorship deals of course.

[ariston]

there is a huge difference between winning a seat in a satellite and being staked/sponsored. Tiffany was only in the event because she was put in by tony g and lisandro so they should imo have been part of any "extras" she got for getting deep. She wouldn't have been in the event but for them putting her in so I reckon its not unreasonable for them to be involved in other sponsorship negotiations. Tony G doesn't want to be associated with UB and has banned all adds from them on his site so you can see why he should be miffed when she appears in their logo next to his.

Lets just say Julian had bought me into the main event and given me william hill shirts to wear in case I got deep and I finalled. Would you all think it ok for me to turn up for the final in a DTD shirt with a william hill cap on? Julian hasnt got me to sign a water tight contract and rob offered me a few quid to get his logo on tv so wheres the harm in it? Anyone who thinks it would be ok doesn't know how things should be done. in the above situation I would speak to Julian and say robs asked me to wear DTD wear and offered 100k for me to do so, as you bought me in thats 50 large a piece so what do you reckon? If Julian says nah I would rather you wear will hills gear then I wouldnt dream of wearing anything else. Tiff should realise who gave her her shot, if she really believes she has done nothing wrong the very least she could do is give a share of any of the extra dosh she got to tony g and lisandro as she wouldnt have been in a position to get the extra dough if they hadnt bought her in.

Greed is a horrible trait

[Claw75]

Thursday, July 17, 2008

Tiffany Michelle Official Statement
Thursday, July 17, 2008

........

I am a grown woman and I can decide for myself who I choose to associate myself with.

hmmm, good choice Tiff.

[Claw75]

there is a huge difference between winning a seat in a satellite and being staked/sponsored. Tiffany was only in the event because she was put in by tony g and lisandro so they should imo have been part of any "extras" she got for getting deep. She wouldn't have been in the event but for them putting her in so I reckon its not unreasonable for them to be involved in other sponsorship negotiations. Tony G doesn't want to be associated with UB and has banned all adds from them on his site so you can see why he should be miffed when she appears in their logo next to his.

Lets just say Julian had bought me into the main event and given me william hill shirts to wear in case I got deep ad I finalled. Wuld you all think it ok for me to turn up for the final in a DTD shirt with a william hill cap on? Julian hasnt got me to sign a water tight contract and rob offered me a few quid to get his logo on tv so wheres the harm in it? Anyone who thinks it would be ok doesn't know how things should be done. in the above situation I would speak to Julian and say robs asked me to wear DTD wear and offered 100k for me to do so, as you bought me in thats 50 large a piece so what do you reckon? If Julian says nah I would rather you wear will hills gear then I wouldnt dream of wearing anything else. Tiff should realise who gave her her shot, if she really believes she has done nothing wrong the very least she could do is give a share of any of the extra dosh she got to tony g and lisandro as she wouldnt have been in a position to get the extra dough if they hadnt bought her in.

Greed is a horrible trait

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[Mango99]

Thursday, July 17, 2008

Tiffany Michelle Official Statement
Thursday, July 17, 2008

........

I am a grown woman and I can decide for myself who I choose to associate myself with.

hmmm, good choice Tiff.

Aye, but would you accept $80k to be associated with a cheating poker site - e.g. Ultimate Bet, Absolute Poker - or $15k to be assoicated with one that was legit? Also, she may not have been aware of the UB scandal when signing the deal I guess. I loaded it up the other day and saw there were still quite a lot of people playing there, so I guess not everyone has heard yet

[Claw75]

Thursday, July 17, 2008

Tiffany Michelle Official Statement
Thursday, July 17, 2008

........

I am a grown woman and I can decide for myself who I choose to associate myself with.

hmmm, good choice Tiff.

Aye, but would you accept $80k to be associated with a cheating poker site - e.g. Ultimate Bet, Absolute Poker - or $15k to be assoicated with one that was legit? Also, she may not have been aware of the UB scandal when signing the deal I guess. I loaded it up the other day and saw there were still quite a lot of people playing there, so I guess not everyone has heard yet

easy question - $15k to be associated with one that is legit.  I wouldn't accept any amount of money to be 'associated with a cheating poker site'.  I'd be gobsmacked if she wasn't aware of the scandal.