Poker - it's a messy business.....

[AndrewT]

I'm probably the least gay person you've ever not met but for 20k I'll wear any logo you want! do your worst lol

What if Full Tilt wanted you to do a photoshoot where you had to put Mike Matusow's dick in your mouth for £1m? Would you do that?

I think I would. I mean when I was 18 I wouldn't, no way!! But, well, I'm 35 now, and that sort of deal sounds more appealing. I mean how bad could it be. In fact get the whole Full Tilt team down, Ivey, Lindgren...at £1m a pop I'd make a damn good job of it as well. Even spending 10% on mouthwash and counselling still returns a damn good profit.

Anyways the point is that it's difficult to judge what you'd do for money and therefore probably impossible to judge other people's decisions in this area. If someone breaks their word for money that's who they are. But it's not who I want to be.

*sends email to Full Tilt suggesting adventurous marketing campaign with a cost of £1m*

[AlexMartin]

BTW the suffolk party 20k thing and the pokernews/tiffany scandal are pretty different imo.

Ones a fistpump shove, the others a clear bet/fold.

[Longy]

Tiffanys the fistpump, right?

[Fred Titmus]

The agents at the Main Event peed me off. We (Party) had a qualifier who had worn our colours all week, and on Day 6 he was on feature table with Hellmuth. As he was sitting down at start of the day and unpacking chips, an agent from another site tried to get him to switch patches for 20K! Our player was trying to prepare mentally for the biggest poker session of his life - and some clown starts messing his head up at the table, in front of audience. Unbelievable!
Anyway, our man stuck with us and I'm very pleased to say went on to cash for $96,000.

He should have sent Party an email about it, then nothing would have happened for two weeks.

[Fred Titmus]

I would take 5mill as well...if it meant only wearing it for the FT of the WSOP...in every interview after the WSOP I would mention that they paid me 5mill and are a bunch of cheating w*nks and people shouldn't play there... ..take 5mill and ruin them

Now THAT'S integrity.

[ItsMrAlex2u]

I've thought of another scenario:

If there is a site that you genuinly play on all the time and you think they offer the best poker on the web - they're the best (hypothetically we could call them 'SuperPoker')

And there is another site that you think is really dodgy, offers rubbish structures and you don't entirely trust them to be fair (hypothetically we could call them Abso 'ScummyPoker')


A magazine freeroll gives you the chance to win a seat in the Main Event from 'ScummyPoker' without having to make a deposit.
You enter, you win the seat, they send you to Vegas and you make it to the Final Table.


Now 'SuperPoker' offers you some cash to wear their stuff at the Final Table instead of 'ScummyPokers' stuff.

The amount is irrelevant
- do you promote the site that you don't like but who sent you there?
- or do you promote the site you think is the best, but had no influence on you being there to start with?

Completely depends on the agreement with scummypoker. If their deal commits you to wear their gear then not sure what choice you have.
If the only down side of not doing so was being banned from their site then ship the super poker cash.

It comes down to loyalty and in this case i wouldnt feel particularly loyal to scummy poker or being out of order to a friend.

[Mango99]

listen the ammounts involved are quite commonly known- poker royalty the agents offer deals usually about the 100-200k mark for making the final table and stepping up to 1million to the winner (paid in cash not sponsorship). This is to wear full tilt logos. If in the above scenario absolute came to me and offered 5 milliion to wear their logo it doesnt matter how much of a cheating site they are its 5 million. What I would do is say to Julian (again we are going from the above scenario where a friend had backed me) listen mate its 2.5 million each- what do you think? Again if Julian had said no then I would accept his decision and turn the offer down. Can any of you put a price on a mate? I certainly dont think its worth losing mates for any ammount of money. To accept the 5 million and say stuff you julian you are only in for half of anything I win is totally taking the piss. no matter how much she dresses it up tiffany has been very foolish here and nothing but a greedy cow. I am so happy so she got her few pieces of silver and has managed to fk herself in the process. She better hope she never has a bad run as she wont find many friends willing to help her out.

Aye, of course. I was talking about a situation where you've won a satellite thru a site - e.g. like the PartyPoker qualifier mentioned earlier in this thread.

If anyone puts you in to a tourney, mate or otherwise, you don't stitch them up by agreeing another deal behind their back - whether it be for $50, $5k or $50m.

[Hairydude]

I'm probably the least gay person you've ever not met but for 20k I'll wear any logo you want! do your worst lol

What if Full Tilt wanted you to do a photoshoot where you had to put Mike Matusow's dick in your mouth for £1m? Would you do that?

I think I would. I mean when I was 18 I wouldn't, no way!! But, well, I'm 35 now, and that sort of deal sounds more appealing. I mean how bad could it be. In fact get the whole Full Tilt team down, Ivey, Lindgren...at £1m a pop I'd make a damn good job of it as well. Even spending 10% on mouthwash and counselling still returns a damn good profit.

Anyways the point is that it's difficult to judge what you'd do for money and therefore probably impossible to judge other people's decisions in this area. If someone breaks their word for money that's who they are. But it's not who I want to be.

Dont Lie......you'd do it for a packet of Nuts

[ShatnerPants]

At the risk of being simple, have I got this right.

Tiffany Michelle is employed by, and works for, Poker News.

But her buyin is paid for by Tony G ( and partner/s ).  He owns a piece of her action.

When she gets to the final 3 tables she starts wearing UB logos ( although keeping her PokerNews logos as well )

UB have signed her up.  Presumably to wear their logo in the ME, and then they are going to sponsor her into other events in the future.

PokerNews are ticked off coz she's gone behind their backs.

Tony G is ticked off for the same.  He was in the middle of negotiating a deal between TM, PokerNews, and 'Stars.

Presumably he was going to be paid for this, if it came off.   Obviously he gets nothing out of the UB deal.

What I don't get is if TM is a PokerNews player, how come they didn't put her into the ME.  If they didn't pay to get her there, do they deserve consideration ?

If Tony G paid for her to enter, then he is due a % on her.   Now the deal with UB must be partly for the ME, and partly for the future events. IMO I agree with TM ( and therefore disagree with many of the previous posts here ) in as much as ; She doesn't pay Tony G for wearing a PokerNews logo.  It's her decision, not Tony's about any other logo she wants to wear.  Now she owes Tony his % of the extra bunce she has earned whilst playing. ( similarly with the $5 mil proposition above - I'd tell him I was accepting the $5 mil, and give over the $2.5 as his share, not ask his permission to make us both millionaires. )

I see Tony G as getting upset more because he's not getting the extra $$$ himself by TM taking up the deal that suits him best.

If PokerNews didn't put her in the tourney, surely they're getting free advertising anyway.

Now I agree the deal TM accepted was stupid, I mean, being associated with UB is definitely dumb, but I'm falling short in exactly who has what piece of her.  Coz I know which piece I'd have, given the option 

[ariston]

pokernews is owned by tony g (so pokernews did in effect put her in as part of the backing was that she was to wear pokernews apparel).

TM isnt offering tony g or pokernews any % of the extra bunce she got paid by UB. Pokernews wont take advertising or anything from UB after the recent scandals on a moral stance. For TM to then put the ub logo next to the pokernews logo hass pissed tony g off. For tony to say he was glad she got knocked out when he is getting a large % of her winnings shows just how pissed off he is.

If TM had gone to tony and said look UB have offered me $x to wear their logo and obviously that will be split with you as well as you own x% of me for this event then the discussion may have been different. Tony is a nice guy and very astute businessman away from the table and he wouldve said stars/tilt or whoever would match that deal (no way could UB have outbid stars or FT) and he would have no doubt brokered a better deal for TM and looked after the interest of both parties. Who is gonna be able to do a better deal for a young naive (read stupid) girl having the tournament of her life? In one corner we have one of the biggest names in poker with more contacts than you can imagine, in the other corner we have a talent agent (not a poker agent) with very few contacts who has steered his/her client to the only site out there who have been confirmed as cheats.

[byronkincaid]

the only site out there who have been confirmed as cheats

absolute owners also stole money. what do you think about people accepting sponsorship deals from them?

[mondatoo]

She is a fool with no honour or dignity it's a simple as that imo.

[ariston]

the only site out there who have been confirmed as cheats

absolute owners also stole money. what do you think about people accepting sponsorship deals from them?

absolute and UB are in effect the same company (one is just a skin of the other I think)

[ariston]

She is a fool with no honour or dignity it's a simple as that imo.

you mean a greedy fool surely.

all poker players go through sticky patches. When you are in a rut you need friends to stand by you- I wonder how many TM will have if she ever runs bad and goes low on funds. I am sure there will be a huge queue waiting to stake her and I bet UB stand by her when she isnt on TV so much. She cashed for 500k which she gets a 3rd of as part of her staking agreement (so 166k), add the couple of hundred grand she got from UB and take off the taxes and she will be left with around the £100k mark- that will go a long way in the poker world.

Lets take an extreme example like Matasow- most people know about his past indescretions but would you still trust him to honour a deal and not turn you over if you staked him? He has been staked for many tournaments and won his backers lots of money and even an ex con has honour and integrity still intact as he would never turn over someone on a poker deal. To say an ex con is more trustworthy than a 24yr old girl at the start of her career is a little harsh but it should show how tricky it is going to be for her now in the poker world. Its took Jamie Gold a couple of years to be accepted after he tried to screw someone over and he won the thing- I fear TM will disappear off the radar completely in the next 12 months whereas she could've been a huge star with the right person helping her. This time next year it will be Tiffany who?

[Longy]

the only site out there who have been confirmed as cheats

absolute owners also stole money. what do you think about people accepting sponsorship deals from them?

absolute and UB are in effect the same company (one is just a skin of the other I think)

They are owned by the same company Tikworo Enterprises, but they are not skins of each other. The have entirely seperate player databases and there is no crossover.

Also if im not mistaken Tikworo were not the owners of UB when the original scandal hit.