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« on: July 21, 2008, 10:51:50 AM » |
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Ok- I don't usually post here but I'm wondering what everyone would do in this spot. There's 26 left. One 10,500 seat so top heavy structure. However all 9 players get paid with 9th and 8th receiving £300 (Im in for 300)
Average stack is 16k. I have approx 11. Blinds are 300/600/50 about to go 400/800/100.
Stack sizes- UTG has arounf 20k, UTG plus 1 around 25. There's a couple of short stacks but most players have you out chipped.
I'm going to post the hand street by street
UTG limps. UTG+1 limps 3rd to act folds.
I look down at AK off suit.
Call, raise or fold???
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TheChipPrince
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2008, 11:17:44 AM » |
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So there's 2600 in the pot already? Easy shove...
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AndrewT
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2008, 12:00:06 PM » |
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So there's 2600 in the pot already? Easy shove...
+1 The only 'street by street' action should be watching the cards getting dealt out. If UTG is getting cute with AA/KK, meh. |
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2008, 12:25:22 PM » |
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Yep, easy push. Doing anything else is playing the hand with a different stack in a different situation. If you standard raise, one of the ep limpers will deffo give you action. You then face a whole lot of ways to get your chips in after that. a) Call a push pre-flop b) Push to a check on the flop c) Call a push on the flop etc..But the chips will go in. A-K is a rubbish unpaired hand and so if I can win 25% of my stack without going to the flop then sweet. A-K is made to push in this type of situation.
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I Am Willis
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2008, 01:40:53 PM » |
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et those chips see the middle and were off to the races  |
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2008, 02:06:03 PM » |
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Shove its inexploitable, especially with this payout structure.
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2008, 03:19:55 PM » |
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Shove its inexploitable, especially with this payout structure.
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George2Loose
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2008, 09:24:35 PM » |
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Wow- really???
This is obviously a massive leak in my game. If there are no antes is this still a shove? Am I not telegraphing my hand if I shove?
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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2008, 09:29:00 PM » |
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Wow- really???
This is obviously a massive leak in my game. If there are no antes is this still a shove? Am I not telegraphing my hand if I shove?
I don't think you're telegraphing your hand here at all would you not make the same play with jj/qq ? I also shove seen as there's only 1 seat up 4 grabs and getting back what i already paid isn't that appealing |
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George2Loose
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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2008, 09:32:52 PM » |
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What if it's a standard payout structure still shove?
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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2008, 09:45:50 PM » |
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What if it's a standard payout structure still shove?
Due to it being a sat i'm only folding if it's close to the bubble for a seat otherwise they're going in In normal mtt yeah it's a shove for me unless utg is a supersupernittynit(who is also a crafty bugger) then i might spend more than 5 secs thinking about it.I just don't see anyway utg+1 can have a big hand here.You're more likely to find someone after you have a monster and these 2 mugs were limping with junk. PS I'm someone who plays ak quite passively as well lol |
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George2Loose
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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2008, 10:07:38 PM » |
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I suppose this is a big leak I have.
I always think of my stack in terms of big blinds and not M....
I actually made it 2600 to go- this is kinda spewy?
What range are you shoving with here?
calling?
Raising but not all in?
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2008, 10:11:58 PM » |
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I suppose this is a big leak I have.
I always think of my stack in terms of big blinds and not M....
I actually made it 2600 to go- this is kinda spewy?
What range are you shoving with here?
calling?
Raising but not all in?
So they've limped UTG and UTG+1 for 600, and you make it 2600. They're not going anywhere. You only have a pot sized bet left on the flop. No A or K falls - what now? |
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George2Loose
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2008, 10:15:43 PM » |
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Yeh- your right exactly my problem- I also got a flat caller directly to my left.
The flop came J66 two spades and it was checked to me.
My main worry with shoving here was that I felt I was playing my hand face up.
FWIW is there ANY justifcation in flatting here? Or do I just have to accept that if anyone has AA- KK it's a cooler and I'm going broke?
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2008, 12:12:00 AM » |
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Yeh- your right exactly my problem- I also got a flat caller directly to my left.
The flop came J66 two spades and it was checked to me.
My main worry with shoving here was that I felt I was playing my hand face up.
FWIW is there ANY justifcation in flatting here? Or do I just have to accept that if anyone has AA- KK it's a cooler and I'm going broke?
yeah shove pre-flop is the way forward imo, take away the prob of u missing the flop etc. flat calling pre is horrible play with ak and ur stack. like u say if utg or utg+1 has AA or KK then its a cooler. |
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