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« on: August 11, 2008, 01:48:16 PM »


Table 135 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:08:59 ET - 2008/08/07
Seat 1: frotodod (8,620)
Seat 2: villus (14,404)
Seat 3: WickTaylor (6,440)
Seat 4: prostarins (20,591)
Seat 5: Betty Lee (8,126)
Seat 6: TheRingmaster (34,721)
Seat 7: Hero (11,565)
Seat 8: Petri999 (8,949)
Seat 9: NEONPILS99 (5,988)
frotodod antes 50
villus antes 50
WickTaylor antes 50
prostarins antes 50
Betty Lee antes 50
TheRingmaster antes 50
Hero antes 50
Petri999 antes 50
NEONPILS99 antes 50
NEONPILS99 posts the small blind of 250
frotodod posts the big blind of 500
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [ ]
villus folds
WickTaylor folds
prostarins folds
Betty Lee has 15 seconds left to act
Betty Lee folds
TheRingmaster raises to 1,200
Hero...

should i be shoving here? theringmaster is an unknown and has just sat down two hands ago.
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2008, 01:58:49 PM »

As good a spot as any.
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2008, 02:22:01 PM »

I think I'd shove.  Looks like a position raise to me
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2008, 07:44:01 PM »

I dont like pushing versus an unknown but I think that this is a push primarily because he can easily pass and a lot of the other stacks on the table wont be able to laydown to a shove once they have raised or will be shoving themselves. You have good FE v his stack so its got to go in

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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2008, 10:02:28 PM »

I dont like pushing versus an unknown but I think that this is a push primarily because he can easily pass and a lot of the other stacks on the table wont be able to laydown to a shove once they have raised or will be shoving themselves. You have good FE v his stack so its got to go in

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funnily enough i think his stack reduces this spots effectiveness, but shove is still good. Would prefer him to have same stack.
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2008, 10:18:51 PM »

just because he has a big stack doesnt mean he is raising light. I think you have a few too many chips to shove here and would like some kind of a read that the villain is opening a lot b4 shoving in over 22 bbs over  a mp raise. I think you have enough time with your stack to fold and gain a better read, although shoving definetly isn't bad
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2008, 10:25:49 PM »

I dont like pushing versus an unknown but I think that this is a push primarily because he can easily pass and a lot of the other stacks on the table wont be able to laydown to a shove once they have raised or will be shoving themselves. You have good FE v his stack so its got to go in

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funnily enough i think his stack reduces this spots effectiveness, but shove is still good. Would prefer him to have same stack.

I agree that when you are playing similar stacks and you are effectivley asking a question for someones tournament the calling ranges become really screwed down and so the shove has a better chance of sucess. but.. The shove represents a 3rd of the openers stack, he has to have a pretty tight range to call. He can pass and still be dominant CL on the table .  
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