Sky Poker Tour

[Jon MW]

It's not just this, I have wondered where T&C's stood legally in general for a bit.

[ripple11]

tony has the structure and chips been decided for the spukpt final yet?

http://www.skypoker.com/uk-tour-final/

[tikay]

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It's very simple. By agreeing to abide by the T & C's - which you have to, to play the Site, you accept the T & C's. It's a Contract. And if you fail to fulfil a Contract, or break it, there are any number of legal remedies available.

Question for the legally minded.

Are terms and conditions of a competition a contract, enforceable by contract law?

And if they are legally a contract could they not fall foul of being deemed 'unfair' contracts?

I'm staggered the way poker players think sometimes.

Jon - turn that question on it's head.

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Do we really want to see sites wriggling out of them, as you are suggesting players might be able to?

No I was asking the question, are they legally definable contracts?

Is the Brief around? He might be a better one to ask unless Tikay has unwittingly become legally qualified!

I'm certainly not legally qualified, but I do possess a modicum of common-sense.

[tikay]

tony has the structure and chips been decided for the spukpt final yet?

http://www.skypoker.com/uk-tour-final/

Thanks Nick, I'd forgotten that was already published.

That answers Paul's original question, & his supplementary.

Apologies for misleading anyone.

Pretty decent structure, I think.

[turny]

tony has the structure and chips been decided for the spukpt final yet?

http://www.skypoker.com/uk-tour-final/

many thanks

[turny]

tony has the structure and chips been decided for the spukpt final yet?

http://www.skypoker.com/uk-tour-final/

Thanks Nick, I'd forgotten that was already published.

That answers Paul's original question, & his supplementary.

Apologies for misleading anyone.

Pretty decent structure, I think.

yes excellent structure though day 2 isnt on there though i imagine it will still be good

[Dingdell]

tony has the structure and chips been decided for the spukpt final yet?

http://www.skypoker.com/uk-tour-final/

Thanks Nick, I'd forgotten that was already published.

That answers Paul's original question, & his supplementary.

Apologies for misleading anyone.

Pretty decent structure, I think.

yes excellent structure though day 2 isnt on there though i imagine it will still be good

These are sky players - they are not expecting a day 2 surely?? Sorry Tikay - it was a joke...

[turny]

tony has the structure and chips been decided for the spukpt final yet?

http://www.skypoker.com/uk-tour-final/

Thanks Nick, I'd forgotten that was already published.

That answers Paul's original question, & his supplementary.

Apologies for misleading anyone.

Pretty decent structure, I think.

yes excellent structure though day 2 isnt on there though i imagine it will still be good

These are sky players - they are not expecting a day 2 surely?? Sorry Tikay - it was a joke...

lmao

seriously with 12 levels on day one with the final level 1k 2k with a 200 running ante with 2 million chips in play they wont be bringing many back imo

[cia260895]

tony has the structure and chips been decided for the spukpt final yet?

http://www.skypoker.com/uk-tour-final/

lol kin gets a lesson from orford

[George2Loose]

So u don't have to qualify for the live final? u can just buy in directly at DTD?

[turny]

So u don't have to qualify for the live final? u can just buy in directly at DTD?

yep

[cia260895]

So u don't have to qualify for the live final? u can just buy in directly at DTD?

yep

can you?

my understanding is you have to buy in via sky poker

[tikay]

So u don't have to qualify for the live final? u can just buy in directly at DTD?

You can buy-in directly, as of now, if you wish.

I'm not sure if you can buy-in at DTD though - you can certainly buy-in via Sky Poker, & have been able to do so for some weeks now.

If seats remain available nearer the time, it's possible - just possible - that a Live Super-Sat may take place at DTD, but don't bank on that, as I think all the Seats will go quite fast.

If you want to be sure of a Seat, qualify now, on Sky Poker, (the qualifiers would be right up your street George), or buy-in via Sky Poker.

I hope you play the Event George - the structure looks excellent, & well-suited to your game.

The TV Cameras will be there all weekend too - & if I get to interview you, I will HAVE to ask one question - "so Rup, you have children, yes, so what are their names?".....

[tikay]

So u don't have to qualify for the live final? u can just buy in directly at DTD?

yep

can you?

my understanding is you have to buy in via Sky Poker

I may be wrong, but that's my understanding, too.

You can register (for DTD Membership) Online via the link on Sky Poker, or direct at DTD.com of course.

My advice, if you want to play the Event, would be to qualify or buy in via Sky Poker as soon as possible, as seats will go fast. But I would say that, eh?

The Guarantee is £25,000, (buy-in is £200 + £20) but I an hopeful it will make a great deal more.

[byronkincaid]

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It's very simple. By agreeing to abide by the T & C's - which you have to, to play the Site, you accept the T & C's. It's a Contract. And if you fail to fulfil a Contract, or break it, there are any number of legal remedies available.

Question for the legally minded.

Are terms and conditions of a competition a contract, enforceable by contract law?

And if they are legally a contract could they not fall foul of being deemed 'unfair' contracts?

I'm staggered the way poker players think sometimes.

Jon - turn that question on it's head.

If a Poker Site fail to deliver on it's T & C's - does not pay out the winners, or pay it's bills, for example - there'd be uproar. And quite rightly so, Sites are obliged to deliver on their promises & committments. It's part of the Terms & Conditions we agree to when we play on any given Site. (Poker Trillion excepted).

And this cuts both ways.

Nobody has to accept the T & C's of any site.  But if they do accept them (& they have to, to use the Site) they must accept them, just as much as the Site is obliged to deliver it's committments.

It's a two-way street, not a one-way street.

Do we really want to see sites wriggling out of them, as you are suggesting players might be able to?

why is this particular T & C there? because presumably having a sky shirt at the FT of the WSOP would be worth massive amounts of money to sky. we can tell roughly how much money, it's many millions for stars and FT. presumably it's not worth quite as much to sky as they can't accept american players but still must be a lot of money right?

so this T & C is saying not only will you not be able to cash in by wearing a stars shirt, we may make millions from you and we don't have to give you a penny. If this was a freeroll then fair enough. If the sat was juice free then perhaps fair enough.

If only 10 players play this sat then sky make £1000, if 19 players play they make £1900. Is that not enough? If I run a sat in my house and charge £100 to play and say the T & C is that you have to wear a shirt saying "Byron Pwns LDO" is that a fair contract? I won't make millions if that shirt gets on a particular TV show. Sky will.

When I asked this question yesterday it was something I was slightly interested in and hadn't really thought through. I had no intention of ranting about it. Having thought about it I think this T & C is very very unfair. It seems to be almost the opposite of APAT doesn't it? APAT add value. sky suck it out of you.

meh, whatever.