Keegan

[ShatnerPants]

I;m not bessotted with Keegan,What is the relevance of my time of being a newcastle fan but i'm 22 and have supported them all my life if that helps somehow? Totally unimportant in many ways, I was just being nosy.  Some people seem to be harking back to the mid 90s as great days.  I think NU need to be looking forward, though, not back

Christ no offence but your post is riddled with inaccurate points that are just wrong."Surely the owner who is willing to put money into the club" he's spent 10 million since he came do you think that is a lot of money for a prem club in a years period ?? Not a huge amount.  I have to admit, though, that coz of how upset he got when KK did the old 'We will not break into the top 4 anytime soon.' bit, that he intended to invest enough money to make that leap.

Where do you get your information from that all fans love the idea of Shearer being manager most genuine fans i speak to would not want his 1st job to be here as thats not that ideal.Prolly the  media, tbh

Your point of him being a figurehead manager is also ridiculous.Kevin Keegan is loved up here for many reasons.The ones that matter to me are:I believe he's a good manager,I know that he understands what the fans are about and what we expect from our team(these are not to win every tropghy possible as some people ludicrously seem to think but just to play decent football),he is a passionate man and cares about the club,he has interigty and dignity that isn't seen a lot in the game today.These points make him the ideal person to lead our team.  Nice guy, decent enough manager at a certain level, but he'll never get NU into one of the top few.  If you're happy with NU being a mid tier team, then he's fine.  But there are better out there.  I just think hoping to get rid of the owner immediately will destroy the club more than making the best of it until ashley can get away from it with his pride intact.

As for Mike Ashley ive made many posts recently about him and how he's taking the p**s so i won't bother going into all that again.Can you not see that he's not a good owner to have at any club.We lost out on players because he won't pay them decent wages.He supposedly offered out Michael Owen our best player to clubs on the final day of the transfer window without even telling the manager (i'm pretty sure this is true as it's been said in 3/4 different papers and on our fan sites).He is a penny pincher and he also has the club set up where the poeple who are running it and even on Tyneside most of the time.Kevin Keegan revieved a letter to tell him on Thursday the boards proposal to try to keep him do you think a letter is an inappropriate way to deal with this.I could type for the next our reasons why this man and his team are a joke but i'll not bore youOk, so it looks like Ashley is more of a twonk than I gave him credit for ( amazing how many theoretical intelligent businessmen can turn into twats when they get into football isn't it ).  But I just don't see you getting rid of him, unless he can sell up without losing a) face, and b) money.  At the moment I fear he's more important to the club than keegan is, which is why I think it's more important to get someone in who can work with his team, and then start touting round any loose arabs you can find wandering about.

I knew there was a reason why i was going to stay off this thread.  Stick with it.  When NU qualify for Europe think of the joy of bumping this thread

[mondatoo]

One of your points is the main problem with how others see newcastle fans " Prolly the media"  The amount of absolute rubbish that they print that seems to be believed about newcastle fans is unbelievable it's crazy that they keep there jobs when they write such crap.I have never really thought about the good old days as football is totally different now.We will never be a top 6 team while he the bleep bleep bleep is still the owner.

[ShatnerPants]

One of your points is the main problem with how others see newcastle fans " Prolly the media"  The amount of absolute rubbish that they print that seems to be believed about newcastle fans is unbelievable it's crazy that they keep there jobs when they write such crap.I have never really thought about the good old days as football is totally different now.We will never be a top 6 team while he the bleep bleep bleep is still the owner.

I think the media write crap about everyone.  It's what they're good at.  But have faith.  It's always possible that Wise might know what he's talking about.

Ok, maybe not.

[mondatoo]

Denise Wise has no future at the club, I assure you of that.

[wader leg]

Denise Wise has no future at the club, I assure you of that.

If he's managed to get someone to part with £12m for James Milner he's more astute than people give him credit for.

[ShatnerPants]

Denise Wise has no future at the club, I assure you of that.

I remember wise the overrated / overaggro player.  But I thought he did a reasonable job at Leeds.  Didn't he ?

[boldie]

Denise Wise has no future at the club, I assure you of that.

I remember wise the overrated / overaggro player.  But I thought he did a reasonable job at Leeds.  Didn't he ?

I thought it had been established that Poyet did a good job at Leeds.

[ShatnerPants]

Denise Wise has no future at the club, I assure you of that.

I remember wise the overrated / overaggro player.  But I thought he did a reasonable job at Leeds.  Didn't he ?

I thought it had been established that Poyet did a good job at Leeds.

Get him in at Newcastle, sharpish like, then.

Make the best of a bad job, ASAP.

[Acidmouse]

Denise Wise has no future at the club, I assure you of that.

I remember wise the overrated / overaggro player.  But I thought he did a reasonable job at Leeds.  Didn't he ?

It went tits up at Leeds last season and he jumped ship. No love lost from Leeds fans.

[TheChipPrince]

driving down to watch Bristol rivers today I was listeing to Talksport, about 12.45, and they were interviewing some Geordies.    One guy literally had me in stitches, I actually felt sorry for him.  "oh we are the biggest club in the world, no doubt, Newcastle through and through blah blah blah"...  Seriously, what planet are some of these guys on?

[Longy]

They just had a women on MOTD, who claimed recent events at Newcastle "had ruined her life".

Lol overreactionaments.

[ShatnerPants]

Ok I get now what the problems with Ashley.  But he ain't going anywhere for a loss.  So unless someone has a realistic name to put forward, then he ain't going to walk away just yet.

So what good are all the protests going to do on matchday ?

All I can see is that's going to harm the morale of the team. 

Keegan might have been good for Newcastle, but he's walked sooo many times from jobs it was just a matter of time.  He ain't coming back, live with it.  And tbh I think Newcastle deserve better.  Yes he was put in a bad position about Owen, but Owen is still there, so even if Keegan was gutted about what Ashley was trying to do, there was no spilt milk to cry over.

And I still don't get why Wise is so hated.  He's done nothing wrong that I can see ( ok so he jumped ship from Leeds - that should be a compliment to  Newcastle fans )  He's done the job that he has obviously been paid to do, which is bring in young talent as cheaply as possible.

Xisco, in what little I've seen of him, looks like a fine buy.  How must he feel when the crowd are baying for the blood of the guys that bought him in ?

If Keegan walked, then there shouldn't be a huge compensation package to pay out - use that to money get Poyet in ASAP, and get the squad back together.  It might not be a Champions League threatening squad.

But they look capable of playing some good attractive stuff.

Which will make Newcastle a more attractive proposition to any prospective passing Arabs.  I can't see yesterdays protests doing anything positive for the future of the club, even if it felt good to vent against Ashley

[mondatoo]

I wasn't involved in any protest and can't be bothered to go into any of that.All i will say shatner is why do you suggest we should get poyet asap he has worked as a coach at 2 clubs afaik but yet this qualify's him to be good enough to be newcastle manager ? I don't understand that tbh.I appreciate no good manager is likely to be interested in the job but i'm pretty sure we could get someone a bit better/more experienced than him imo

[ShatnerPants]

I wasn't involved in any protest and can't be bothered to go into any of that.All i will say shatner is why do you suggest we should get poyet asap he has worked as a coach at 2 clubs afaik but yet this qualify's him to be good enough to be newcastle manager ? I don't understand that tbh.I appreciate no good manager is likely to be interested in the job but i'm pretty sure we could get someone a bit better/more experienced than him imo

Purely because he worked well with Wise before, would be relatively cheap, and ( assuming you could get rid of Ashley in a reasonable time frame ) would be inexpensive to move on at the right time.

I think Newcastle have got the basis of a half decent side, and I think they need to buckle down to a proper routine asap, and get to upper mid table.  Leeds last season got off to a flyer, so I'm assuming he's not all bad.

I don't think you have a hope in hell of getting a truely great manger atm, given what I've been told about Ashley recently, so I'm trying to think what would be the best stopgap.

In the long run Newcastle deserve to be a regular top 6 club, but the competition is going to get bloody hard over the next few years, so I think overstretching at the moment is fraught with danger.

Then they will be more attractive to buyers.

[Rooky9]

Ok I get now what the problems with Ashley.  But he ain't going anywhere for a loss.  So unless someone has a realistic name to put forward, then he ain't going to walk away just yet.

So what good are all the protests going to do on matchday ?

Without the protests I don't think he'd have put it up for sale.  There is no way back for him now and he has realised that very quickly. He should be able to get 235m for it.

For what its worth I think he had the right idea in what he was trying to achieve, and how he was going to do it. He probably made two mistakes that have stopped that - mainly going for a young, inexperienced, unqualified and disrespected individual in Dennis Wise for a senior position at the club. Secondly, knowing the structure he wanted, not going for a manager to work within that and have a fresh outlook to reflect his vision - someone like Dechamps.

Kenwright has been trying to sell Everton for a while without success. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes us.