Keegan

[ShatnerPants]

Kenwright has been trying to sell Everton for a while without success. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes us.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I think that after what's happened at Man city, there's a whole new potential market out there.  If I was Ashley, I'd approach Shearer, cap in hand, and beg him to do a bit of pr work with the arabs.

If he could get a package together with the club AND Shearer, in some kind of capacity, then suddenly the club looks more marketable.

Of course, the downside of that may be that the new owner might not want his hands tied before he even takes over, and also there's a problem with Ashley having pi**ed Shearer off along with everyone else.

But in the meantime, he's got to get someone is FAST to stabalise the ship.  Someone strong, who'd be up for the challenge of the premiership.  Who would cherrish the chance of some self publicity, and is towards the tail end of his career.

I still say Poyet, but if he's not good enough, how about Warnock ?

[TheChipPrince]

I actually thought Ashley's statement made a lot of sense for what its worth...

[ShatnerPants]

I actually thought Ashley's statement made a lot of sense for what its worth...

It says pretty much what you'd expect imo. 

I came in here because I love football, and wanted to be loved and feted by thousands.  I spent a quater of a billion quid just to keep it afloat.  I haven't got the money to stick in more than another £20 mill a year.  I wanted to use Wise to bring in top quality footballers on the cheap, like what Arsenal do.  Keegan wanted players that could compete straight away.

I expeted to be able to whatever I wanted coz it's my toy, but you lot wont let me, sob, sob

Etc.

In many ways I feel sorry for him, because I genuinely believe that he hoped to get Newcastle up there with the big boys.  But he hasn't got the money to do it on his own.  He should have been more honest when he took the club over, because sticking in £250 mill is not bad, in anyones book, but in the modern world it's not enough to leap into the big time.

Arsenal have been successful because the board found Wenger, then went for him as their only target.  To the extent of using and abusing Bruce Rioch - a top notch manager in his own right.  Noone knew about him before his appointment - there was no going for a publicly popular man.  They knew who they wanted and why they wanted him.  And they waited until they could get him.  Then gave over complete control of the footballing side to him.  This is where other clubs don't seem to get it. Wenger isn't perfect, he has weaknesses, but for a club without too many million to waste he does give good value for his transfer dollar.

It's just sad that Ashley's lack of communication has alienated him so much.  But that was his gamble.  He lost.  He thought he could be the big hero.  Owners aren't heroes, though.  They are the men that employ the heroes.

[mondatoo]

Kenwright has been trying to sell Everton for a while without success. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes us.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I think that after what's happened at Man city, there's a whole new potential market out there.  If I was Ashley, I'd approach Shearer, cap in hand, and beg him to do a bit of pr work with the arabs.

If he could get a package together with the club AND Shearer, in some kind of capacity, then suddenly the club looks more marketable.

Of course, the downside of that may be that the new owner might not want his hands tied before he even takes over, and also there's a problem with Ashley having pi**ed Shearer off along with everyone else.

But in the meantime, he's got to get someone is FAST to stabalise the ship.  Someone strong, who'd be up for the challenge of the premiership.  Who would cherrish the chance of some self publicity, and is towards the tail end of his career.

I still say Poyet, but if he's not good enough, how about Warnock ?

Shearer's been sacked as ambassador for the club because of what he said last week about the strange set up so i'd say that's unlikely

Ashley statements pretty much a load of bs tbh Chipprince

The fans want this process to happen more quickly and they want huge amounts spent in the transfer market so that the club can compete at the top table of European football now.

But clawing back £12m for an England U21 midfielder and replacing him with a borrowed Uruguayan seems to be going to the opposite extreme to the megastars.

When the transfer window closed this year, our net spend was less than most other Premier League clubs this season - clubs with a smaller fanbase, less season ticket holders, cheaper tickets, cheaper corporate sections, smaller corporate sections etc. etc.

Most people believed that Kevin Keegan's "million miles away" statement last season was right - but they also believed him when he talked about improving the club's league placing.

We would contend that most people didn't believe that the only way to do that was spending "huge amounts".

The one charge that is continually levelled at Newcastle fans by lazy outsiders is that they have unrealistic expectations and no patience.

Unfortunately the owner seems to have fallen for this line, ignoring the evidence of his own eyes that Newcastle fans will shell out for tickets if they believe they are seeing a team worth watching and moving forward - and not being led up the garden path.

Those are a few bits from the fans site and are so true

[ShatnerPants]

Shearer's been sacked as ambassador for the club because of what he said last week about the strange set up so i'd say that's unlikely

That's what I meant about going to him cap in hand.  It seems to be a typical reaction at the moment.  Hear something detrimental, then jump off the deep end.  This guy must have been great to play football with as a kid.  How many times d'ya reckon he ran off home crying with his ball under his arm when he was tackled.

When this story started I had total sympathy for the guy.  It was his club, and he should be able to run it as he sees fit.  Which is fine up to a point.  But he does seem to have disguised the truth from too many people at the wrong times.  If he wanted to get Wise in, he should have done it with Allardyce in the frame, so when he brought Keegan in,  the position was open and above board.

And if you intend to sell Milner and Owen, don't do it until you've got adequate replacements in place. 

I still don't see what Wise has done to make him so hated.  He's just done the job he's paid to do.  And I really like what liitle I've seen of Xisco.

[mondatoo]

He's a liar for a start as he said to the fans he reported to KK and that KK would have the last say on transfers which wasn't the case and instead he undermined him and the fans.

He's also not very popular up here in the 1st place and his behaviour towards keegan is part of the reason keegan is now gone.Keegan being a man we love and trusted, wise being a man who we don't trust one little bit and who we're all 99.9% sure has his own interest at heart not the clubs.

He's also it seems one of the most important members of the club yet he's based in London and hardly ever even in the north east this is not acceptable as far as newcastle fans are concerned.

He also isn't even fit to ******* polish keegan's shoes for him wtf has he done to land himself the role that he has ffs He wasn't much of a player he isn't respected by many people in football imo and he took Leeds down before doing ok with them in div 2 Lge 1.So from that he then becomes director of football at a premiership club and is above Kevin Keegans head a man who was a great footballer has a lot more respect from his peers and younger generation of players and is also respected as a man a person and for certain management attributes non of which i see in an inexperienced denise wise.

[Acidmouse]

Do Newcastle fans know Keegan only took the job because he was skint? sick of working in his? coffee shop in Scotland. Don't think its because he loves football and Newcastle for one minute.

I just don't get the anger towards wise. If you look at his record at Newcastle the players he allegedly brought in so bad? you cannot judge him on not wanting to live up there, he did a job at leeds without moving from London. You don't have to be at the club daily to scout, oversee policy's and shape the way the club grows. Keegan got shafted by his paymaster, it happens all the time.

[Rod Paradise]

Why would ANYONE want Shearer in a position of power?

A moral coward who held his own national team to ransom because he wasn't man enough to take the punishment he deserved is not going to do anything to help the cause of your team.

[ShatnerPants]

He's a liar for a start as he said to the fans he reported to KK and that KK would have the last say on transfers which wasn't the case and instead he undermined him and the fans.

He's also not very popular up here in the 1st place and his behaviour towards keegan is part of the reason keegan is now gone.Keegan being a man we love and trusted, wise being a man who we don't trust one little bit and who we're all 99.9% sure has his own interest at heart not the clubs.

He's also it seems one of the most important members of the club yet he's based in London and hardly ever even in the north east this is not acceptable as far as newcastle fans are concerned.

He also isn't even fit to ******* polish keegan's shoes for him wtf has he done to land himself the role that he has ffs He wasn't much of a player he isn't respected by many people in football imo and he took Leeds down before doing ok with them in div 2 Lge 1.So from that he then becomes director of football at a premiership club and is above Kevin Keegans head a man who was a great footballer has a lot more respect from his peers and younger generation of players and is also respected as a man a person and for certain management attributes non of which i see in an inexperienced denise wise.

I agree that I don't understand how he got the gig in the first place, but the rest seems pretty lightweight reasons for hating him so much.

He said he was under Keegan, but obviously Ashley gave him increased power and authority.  IE promoted him.  He's not going to check if that's ok with you before he accepts it, is he?

His behaviour towards Keegan is part of the reason Keegan went.  Probably true, but if Keegan is commiting hari kari with the boss, then I don't blame Wise for siding with his employer.

He's based in London.  If his brief changes so he has daily contact with the squad, then he should spend more time up north.  But his main job up to now has been finding young talent, especially from South America.  You don't expect him to move to Uraguay, though.

He's not fit to kiss Keegan's bum.  True in many ways.  But he's hardly been there 5 minutes.  If Xisco comes off like I think he might, and gets a dozen goals by Christmas, helping Newcastle into a nice safe mid table position, then surely he's done a decent job by the Newcastle fans.  Judge him by his results, surely.

If you start paying him off, presumably for millions, then you're only getting deeper into the poo.

You never know, this scouting team might well be worth sticking with, no matter who takes over.

Keegan leaving is a setback for Newcastle.  But if it means it gets Ashley out, and a new, more modern, regime in.  Then it could be the best thing to happen to them in years.  Just be patient and make the most of what you've got.

[Rod Paradise]

Someone willing to pay £250m for a start off & £20m a season - and you've driven him out for Keegan??? You lot are mental & if he bankrupts your club to get back what he can you've only the fans to blame.

[ShatnerPants]

Why would ANYONE want Shearer in a position of power?

A moral coward who held his own national team to ransom because he wasn't man enough to take the punishment he deserved is not going to do anything to help the cause of your team.

Shearer picked Newcastle over and above England.

I'd never pick him for the England setup.

He made his choice.  But talking about having his own interest at heart.  He chose financial security over his country.  And Shearer hasn't been as loyal as he could have been to some of the past NUFC mangers.

But he could have gone to Man U, and chose not to.  So I think Newcastle is where he should lay his hat.  

[Rod Paradise]

Why would ANYONE want Shearer in a position of power?

A moral coward who held his own national team to ransom because he wasn't man enough to take the punishment he deserved is not going to do anything to help the cause of your team.

Shearer picked Newcastle over and above England.

I'd never pick him for the England setup.

He made his choice.  But talking about having his own interest at heart.  He chose financial security over his country.  And Shearer hasn't been as loyal as he could have been to some of the past NUFC mangers.

But he could have gone to Man U, and chose not to.  So I think Newcastle is where he should lay his hat.  

That's not what I'm talking about - he threatened not to play for England in a championship if he got done on video evidence for stamping on another player's head. And the FA devalued the jersey by caving in to him.

[TheChipPrince]

On a lighter note, can Danny Guthrie please recieve a 10-match ban for that shocking attempt at a tackle, which it turns out today has broken Craig Fagan's leg...  Fancy clapping the fans on the way off, w*nker...

[ShatnerPants]

Why would ANYONE want Shearer in a position of power?

A moral coward who held his own national team to ransom because he wasn't man enough to take the punishment he deserved is not going to do anything to help the cause of your team.

Shearer picked Newcastle over and above England.

I'd never pick him for the England setup.

He made his choice.  But talking about having his own interest at heart.  He chose financial security over his country.  And Shearer hasn't been as loyal as he could have been to some of the past NUFC mangers.

But he could have gone to Man U, and chose not to.  So I think Newcastle is where he should lay his hat.  

That's not what I'm talking about - he threatened not to play for England in a championship if he got done on video evidence for stamping on another player's head. And the FA devalued the jersey by caving in to him.

But he's gone now.  I'd hate him to be invited to be England boss, for several reasons.  But whatever work he does for Newcastle doesn't affect me, so I'm happy for him to go where he's wanted.

The fact that it's about as far away from London as possible is just a bonus for me   .  But I do genuinely want to see a stable Newcastle.  And I foresee Shearer being quite attracted to an Arab setup with £100 billion or so to wave around.

[ShatnerPants]

On a lighter note, can Danny Guthrie please recieve a 10-match ban for that shocking attempt at a tackle, which it turns out today has broken Craig Fagan's leg...  Fancy clapping the fans on the way off, w*nker...

Won't happen.

It was just an unlucky challenge.

After Taylor got away with breaking Eduardo's leg last season, there's no way Guthrie will be punished.

I agree Taylor didn't intend to do the damage he did.  Neither did Guthrie.  But I still think the severity of the outcome is relevant.   The punishment for abh and manslaughter are different, although the intention to hurt in either case might be the same.