Is it ever right to fold KK pre-flop 3 handed

[MereNovice]

This may be a simple one, so feel free to lay into me.

Online cash table: big blind = £1
We had been playing 3 handed at around 2am for about 20 hands and I had been probably playing too tight after making a bit of a gain when the table was fuller.

UTG: £120 - playing loose/aggressive and raising just about every pot pre-flop
SB: £131 - playing reasonably snug
BB: £175 - me

UTG raises to £4 - shock
SB re-raises to £14
I'm in the BB with KK and re-raise to £50
UTG folds
SB sticks his remaining stack in
I call

SB shows AA and it holds up


My reasoning for re-raising with the KK was that although the SB was playing fairly snugly and hadn't been re-raising much, I assumed that he had got the hump with the UTG player who was a frequent pre-flop raiser. Even if he hadn't he could have re-raised him with a whole range of hands including AK, QQ & JJ specifically. I didn't want to give the UTG any reason to make a loose call with a rag ace either.
Once I had re-raised to £50, I was committed to stick the remaining £80 in to call the all-in, I guess.
I'm 20/80 even if he has the AA and obviously at least 70/30 favourite against any other hand (except KK). I'm paying £80 into a £185 pot.

So, I'm pretty sure that this is "just one of those things" but I just wondered if it is EVER right to fold KK pre-flop in a 3 handed cash game.
Also, did I re-raise too much initially, which is what left me "pot committed"?

This is a genuine question.

[kinboshi]

Even I don't fold KK here. 

His range is larger than just AA, so you call.

[boldie]

Even I don't fold KK here. 

His range is larger than just AA, so you call.

+1..call very fast indeed.

[TheChipPrince]

You did everything fine, and got cold decked, move on, jus unlucky...

[kinboshi]

QQ in the same situation, and I'm probably folding against a tight player.

[MereNovice]

QQ in the same situation, and I'm probably folding against a tight player.

So, with QQ, re-raise less (say to £30) and then fold to an ai from the tight player (and he was definitely tight)?

[EvilPie]

I just wondered if it is EVER right to fold KK pre-flop in a 3 handed cash game.

I guess if you're playing razz you could find the fold. Otherwise they're going in.

If Dan can get it all in with kings then everybody can.

Btw. With QQ I'm getting it in as well once I've committed this much.

[boldie]

QQ in the same situation, and I'm probably folding against a tight player.

QQ three handed. and you've just stuck in 25% of your chips..you find a fold?

[AndrewT]

If you put £50 of a £175 stack in pre-flop in a 3-handed cash game I don't care what hand you have - it's all going in.

[kinboshi]

I just wondered if it is EVER right to fold KK pre-flop in a 3 handed cash game.

I guess if you're playing razz you could find the fold. Otherwise they're going in.

If Dan can get it all in with kings then everybody can.

Btw. With QQ I'm getting it in as well once I've committed this much.

Against a very tight player, do you want to be re-raising that much if you don't want to commit?  The re-raise to £50 is committing you to getting it all in to a further re-raise or on a favourable flop.

Would a re-raise to £30 be a better idea?  Or should you be trying to get it all-in here?

[kinboshi]

QQ in the same situation, and I'm probably folding against a tight player.

QQ three handed. and you've just stuck in 25% of your chips..you find a fold?

That's why I wouldn't be trying to get pot-committed against a very tight player who has shown strength.  Depends how tight they are though.  If their range is a pair JJ-AA and AK, then you're crushing JJ, slightly ahead of AK, and behind AA and KK.  Would a very tight player be re-raising all-in here with JJ though? 

[Rookie (Rodney)]

o ffs

[EvilPie]

I just wondered if it is EVER right to fold KK pre-flop in a 3 handed cash game.

I guess if you're playing razz you could find the fold. Otherwise they're going in.

If Dan can get it all in with kings then everybody can.

Btw. With QQ I'm getting it in as well once I've committed this much.

Against a very tight player, do you want to be re-raising that much if you don't want to commit?  The re-raise to £50 is committing you to getting it all in to a further re-raise or on a favourable flop.

Would a re-raise to £30 be a better idea?  Or should you be trying to get it all-in here?

With QQ or KK?

TBH with either hand I don't like the £50 raise. It's too much. With QQ you don't want to be committed, with KK you don't want to scare off the weak aces, jj, qq etc.

£30 would be much better for either hand.

Thinking about it because of the £50 reraise you can quite easily put the OR on AA or KK. He can't be doing that with many other hands.

The problem with the over raise is it invites the all in because who would do that with anything other than KK or AA.

£30 next time please.

[boldie]

I just wondered if it is EVER right to fold KK pre-flop in a 3 handed cash game.

I guess if you're playing razz you could find the fold. Otherwise they're going in.

If Dan can get it all in with kings then everybody can.

Btw. With QQ I'm getting it in as well once I've committed this much.

Against a very tight player, do you want to be re-raising that much if you don't want to commit?  The re-raise to £50 is committing you to getting it all in to a further re-raise or on a favourable flop.

Would a re-raise to £30 be a better idea?  Or should you be trying to get it all-in here?

With QQ or KK?

TBH with either hand I don't like the £50 raise. It's too much. With QQ you don't want to be committed, with KK you don't want to scare off the weak aces, jj, qq etc.

£30 would be much better for either hand.

Thinking about it because of the £50 reraise you can quite easily put the OR on AA or KK. He can't be doing that with many other hands.

The problem with the over raise is it invites the all in because who would do that with anything other than KK or AA.

£30 next time please.

description of the player was

SB: £131 - playing reasonably snug

Why is everybody considering folding QQ here? Nowhere does it say the guy is the rock of all ages. You're three handed..if you can't go broke with QQ here you really need to loosen up IMO.

[kinboshi]

If you look at my posts, I did say against a very tight player.  I have no idea how tight 'snug' is - I wasn't at the table. 

Against all but the very tightest players, I'm happy to get it in here - but against the very tightest, what range am I up against?