Is it ever right to fold KK pre-flop 3 handed

[PocketLady]

I once asked a similar question on here about folding KK pre in 6 max cash and got told it's always a bad fold.  However I still do it in certain circumstances and I find it's saved me a fair few buyins over time.  However, I'm normally only folding when there are at least 3 of us involved in preflop action.  I can't fold when it's one on one, and I don't think you can fold in the three handed game unless your opponent is the biggest rock on the planet.

even the biggest rock in the worlds range is wider than Just AA 3 handed, in 3 handed sat situations i could find a fold, but never ever in 3handed cash

Of course you are correct.  What I mean to say was..

I once asked a similar question on here about folding KK pre in 6 max cash and got told it's always a bad fold.  However I still do it in certain circumstances and I find it's saved me a fair few buyins over time.  However, I'm normally only folding when there are at least 3 of us involved in preflop action.  I can't fold when it's one on one, and I don't think you can fold in the three handed game unless your opponent is sharplea.

[PocketLady]

To quote someone on here "fold if you hate money".

Even I play this hand the way it works out.

Lolol, lies!

[KarmaDope]

To quote someone on here "fold if you hate money".

Even I play this hand the way it works out.

Lolol, lies!

GFY.

No way am I passing K-K here.

[PocketLady]

Lol, I could get you to fold

[KarmaDope]

Lol, I could get you to fold

Not a chance in hell, especially against you of all people. Your range is FAR too big for me to even consider folding.

[doubleup]

FWIW I have faced a 4 bet allin from TT 3 handed (altho table dynamics widened my range and conseuently his)

[AlexMartin]

FWIW I have faced a 4 bet allin from TT 3 handed (altho table dynamics widened my range and conseuently his)

huh? surely standard.

[snoopy1239]

6-handed, maybe once a decade if the guy is a rock and only ever 4 bets aces. 3-handed, never fold.

[kinboshi]

OK, here's one from last night.

9-handed table £1/2 cash table at DTD.

Table has been pretty wild and people are having a great time throwing their money around and straddles are the norm.

Approx. stack sizes:
S1 - BB (me) - £360
- £400
- £180
- £400
- £350
- £250
- £120
- £220
(SB) - £320

I'm in the BB, with .

As was the norm at that time of the session, my BB was straddled round to £16 virtually everytime.  The three players doing the straddling to my left have been very loose, and very willing to get in light and call or raise with less than optimum hands.  Because of this, their stacks have fluctuated wildly.

Everyone folds round to the SB, who raises up to £60.  The SB has been one of the tightest players at the table, and seems to know what he's doing.  Whenever he's been involved pre-flop, he's had a decent hand.  He's been on the table a while, and knows that the players to act after me have been very eager to call or re-raise with a wide range of cards.


What should I do, and why?

[bookiebasher]

Would shove...there is already £100 in pot and danger is if you flat call then it might cause domino

effect with the limpers. You could min raise to isolate sb but then if he shoves it gives you the headache....

would rather let the sb have the problem unless he has AA of course !!

[kinboshi]

Would shove...there is already £100 in pot and danger is if you flat call then it might cause domino

effect with the limpers. You could min raise to isolate sb but then if he shoves it gives you the headache....

would rather let the sb have the problem unless he has AA of course !!

With the knowledge that he's a tight player, and he is aware that there are still 3 very loose players still to act as well as me - what range do you put him on?

[MereNovice]

Would shove...there is already £100 in pot and danger is if you flat call then it might cause domino

effect with the limpers. You could min raise to isolate sb but then if he shoves it gives you the headache....

would rather let the sb have the problem unless he has AA of course !!

With the knowledge that he's a tight player, and he is aware that there are still 3 very loose players still to act as well as me - what range do you put him on?

Firstly, I'd get myself a different seat.

With my limited experience, I'll venture an opinion.
I'd be very worried that my QQ might be behind to a tight player who knows there is a good chance that he is going to get action and will be out of position. Is it soooooo bad to call with position on the SB and see what happens? If the loose player(s) to your left go wild and take him off his hand, you can call. If they go wild and he calls, you can fold. If they just call him, you can make a move on a favourable flop if the SB doesn't do it first.
Any logic in that at all?

[bookiebasher]

£51 in pot he bets £60...reckon anything from 1010 - AA , AK, possibly AQ , 99 .

If he hasn't got AA or KK then he has a decision to make so you have some fold

equity in shoving. If you re-raise youre going to be commiting half your stack so you

might as well shove. You could flat call but with a loosey goosey table dont fancy your

chances in a multi-way pot.

Get it in !!!

[Longy]

His ranges is probably something like aq+, 1010+ here and qq is ahead of this range. Loads of dead money in there, just shove and hope not to get insta-called.

[AlexMartin]

I would deffo flat most of the time. RRing puts your hand faceup, which makes it unlikely he's gonna call w wosre......plus i like the added benefit of having loads of squeeze monkeys behind. He is tight so you should be able to read him pretty easy postflop as he's rarely going to get out of line.