analyse this!

[mondatoo]

i understand volume is relevant but it works both ways ray, i know moorman is better than me as a poker player FACT but action mans view suggests this is only because he plays more online than i do. i dont buy that. i dont think its that clear cut that internet players generally are better than live players.

Sorry if i sounded patronising vince mate wasn't ment as such.I think that it isn't the sole reason for it as he is obviously just naturally much better than you and knows not to fold QQ preflop. However, i do think not just moorman but many other multitablers in both tourney and cash online can gain a wealth of knowledge that will make them a better poker player than if they were just playing live regularly.There are 19 y/o kids out there who have already played more hands in there life than brunson ever will do this don't make them as good a player as him but it has greatly speeded up there own learning process of the game.To suggest that just playing a huge % of hands would singularly be enough to make you a great poker player is obviously bs but it can help a lot.

[mondatoo]

Celtic can i just ask without wishing to sound patronising again,Do you play much yourself online ? My experience of peoples opinions on this is generally that 99% of players that play both online and live regurlarly will suggest mostly online players are much better players,Whereas most live players don't agree with this obv as they get defensive since they don't play online.

[Longy]

i understand volume is relevant but it works both ways ray, i know moorman is better than me as a poker player FACT but action mans view suggests this is only because he plays more online than i do. i dont buy that. i dont think its that clear cut that internet players generally are better than live players.

It isn't just experience, Moorman no doubt talks to other online players whether that be privately or on internet forums. To learn about good poker strategy, you have a wealth of knowledge which has been discussed to death worked on and then adapted into a better form, you only have to see how much online games have changed in the last 2-3 years to see that this is having an effect.

Compare that to your local cardroom where people are still playing roughly the same, very little strategy is discussed in this atmosphere in my experience and alot of it is the same stuff that the regulars were coming out with years ago.

The live scene is just experiencing alot longer learning curve than the online scene.

but live playes use all the forums etc and talk to good 'live' players. why does there have to be a difference between live players and internet players? Ur either good or you aret imo? NO?

Im sure it does happen but i doubt it is as often.

The amount of time a winning players studies and works on their game compared to their live counterpart i would imagine is quite different. You can't underestimate the effect that software tools on the internet have advanced the game, from poker tracker, pokerstove, icm software etc. Then this info has been discussed ad nauseam at places like 2p2.How many live players would even be aware of this and what they have taught your average winning online player.

[celtic]

i understand volume is relevant but it works both ways ray, i know moorman is better than me as a poker player FACT but action mans view suggests this is only because he plays more online than i do. i dont buy that. i dont think its that clear cut that internet players generally are better than live players.

Sorry if i sounded patronising vince mate wasn't ment as such.I think that it isn't the sole reason for it as he is obviously just naturally much better than you and knows not to fold QQ preflop.to compo fish However, i do think not just moorman but many other multitablers in both tourney and cash online can gain a wealth of knowledge that will make them a better poker player than if they were just playing live regularly.There are 19 y/o kids out there who have already played more hands in there life than brunson ever will do this don't make them as good a player as him but it has greatly speeded up there own learning process of the game.To suggest that just playing a huge % of hands would singularly be enough to make you a great poker player is obviously bs but it can help a lot.

FYP

and i understand that, i just cant see how there can be a definitive answer to INTERNET players are better than live players. Poker is poker at the end of the day. and posting a one word post containing the word VOLUME cant be the definitive answer either. Its like saying if moorman played seb 10 times online he would have more chance of winning than if he played him live then he would have less chance. doesnt add up.

[celtic]

Celtic can i just ask without wishing to sound patronising again,Do you play much yourself online ? My experience of peoples opinions on this is generally that 99% of players that play both online and live regurlarly will suggest mostly online players are much better players,Whereas most live players don't agree with this obv as they get defensive since they don't play online.

ive played more probably online but obv i prefer live. not being defensive about live players, ive seen some terrible players on both, i just dont get how there can be a distinction between the two. In a way its disrepectful to somene like moorman to say he's a good internet poker player. At the end of the day he's a good poker player. FACT.

[mondatoo]

i understand volume is relevant but it works both ways ray, i know moorman is better than me as a poker player FACT but action mans view suggests this is only because he plays more online than i do. i dont buy that. i dont think its that clear cut that internet players generally are better than live players.

Sorry if i sounded patronising vince mate wasn't ment as such.I think that it isn't the sole reason for it as he is obviously just naturally much better than you and knows not to fold QQ preflop.to compo fish However, i do think not just moorman but many other multitablers in both tourney and cash online can gain a wealth of knowledge that will make them a better poker player than if they were just playing live regularly.There are 19 y/o kids out there who have already played more hands in there life than brunson ever will do this don't make them as good a player as him but it has greatly speeded up there own learning process of the game.To suggest that just playing a huge % of hands would singularly be enough to make you a great poker player is obviously bs but it can help a lot.

FYP

and i understand that, i just cant see how there can be a definitive answer to INTERNET players are better than live players. Poker is poker at the end of the day. and posting a one word post containing the word VOLUME cant be the definitive answer either. Its like saying if moorman played seb 10 times online he would have more chance of winning than if he played him live then he would have less chance. doesnt add up.

There isn't a definite answer though and i didn't think people were trying to suggest that.I just think that the general abiltiy all round is a lot better online than what it is live.There are obviously live players who never play online but are still great players and vice versa with online players who play a million hands at big stakes and are still useless.Also it would not be relevant whether moorman played him live or online it's the same game just online moorman would be able to play all 10 games at once lol.

[Gamblor21]

I'm loving the debate... Turning into a great thread.

Personally I don't believe because someone plays mostly live makes them a worse player than any player who mostly plays online, i feel some sort of live/online cross tourney prop bet coming on. They both have different skill sets but in essense are the same game. If your bad at the game you won't do well at either.

Live players still talk/learn/improve their games, using online tools but ply their trade mainly live. Being ignarant of a good 'live' player has probably been the downfall of many 'online' player.

I class myself as a 'live' player, yet i also play online alot... Not to the extent of moorman etc obviously. They would have a clear advantage online and i'd hope to have the same live. 200+ without a win is a bit of an exaggeration trigg, 'live' players would be committing suicide with a run that bad.

We'll all agree on something flushy, your the best!

[mondatoo]

Celtic can i just ask without wishing to sound patronising again,Do you play much yourself online ? My experience of peoples opinions on this is generally that 99% of players that play both online and live regurlarly will suggest mostly online players are much better players,Whereas most live players don't agree with this obv as they get defensive since they don't play online.

ive played more probably online but obv i prefer live. not being defensive about live players, ive seen some terrible players on both, i just dont get how there can be a distinction between the two. In a way its disrepectful to somene like moorman to say he's a good internet poker player. At the end of the day he's a good poker player. FACT.

I think most people see him as a great poker player not just a great online poker player since the fundamentals are the same but since i now get bored sitting playing 1 table live now that i'm geting used to playing 4 at once online i can't imagine how boring sick multitablers such as moorman must feel sitting playing just 1 tourney

PS Hi Gamblor21 mate was fun sitting next to you at blonde bash wp on the 2nd and yeah looks like something productive may come of the thread lol

[celtic]

Celtic can i just ask without wishing to sound patronising again,Do you play much yourself online ? My experience of peoples opinions on this is generally that 99% of players that play both online and live regurlarly will suggest mostly online players are much better players,Whereas most live players don't agree with this obv as they get defensive since they don't play online.

ive played more probably online but obv i prefer live. not being defensive about live players, ive seen some terrible players on both, i just dont get how there can be a distinction between the two. In a way its disrepectful to somene like moorman to say he's a good internet poker player. At the end of the day he's a good poker player. FACT.

I think most people see him as a great poker player not just a great online poker player since the fundamentals are the same but since i now get bored sitting playing 1 table live now that i'm geting used to playing 4 at once online i can't imagine how boring sick multitablers such as moorman must feel sitting playing just 1 tourney

PS Hi Gamblor21 mate was fun sitting next to you at blonde bash wp on the 2nd and yeah looks like something productive may come of the thread lol

geordie bias or you just cos u dont have to do it every week?

[action man]

i meant 200+ online bradley, 200 live would send a man to death or busto id imagine

[thetank]

Also it would not be relevant whether moorman played him live or online it's the same game

Not so sure this is correct.

If I'm playing Derren Brown heads up for wages, I'd rather it was online.

[action man]

your kidding, don't you want to know how his does that greyhound tote scam?

[Gamblor21]

Celtic can i just ask without wishing to sound patronising again,Do you play much yourself online ? My experience of peoples opinions on this is generally that 99% of players that play both online and live regurlarly will suggest mostly online players are much better players,Whereas most live players don't agree with this obv as they get defensive since they don't play online.

ive played more probably online but obv i prefer live. not being defensive about live players, ive seen some terrible players on both, i just dont get how there can be a distinction between the two. In a way its disrepectful to somene like moorman to say he's a good internet poker player. At the end of the day he's a good poker player. FACT.

I think most people see him as a great poker player not just a great online poker player since the fundamentals are the same but since i now get bored sitting playing 1 table live now that i'm geting used to playing 4 at once online i can't imagine how boring sick multitablers such as moorman must feel sitting playing just 1 tourney

PS Hi Gamblor21 mate was fun sitting next to you at blonde bash wp on the 2nd and yeah looks like something productive may come of the thread lol

geordie bias or you just cos u dont have to do it every week?

Everyone knows i'm fun to be at the table with, they like to keep me (the fish) happy.

Enjoyed it mate, you were out your depth in the live arena though lol... Only kidding!

[mondatoo]

Celtic can i just ask without wishing to sound patronising again,Do you play much yourself online ? My experience of peoples opinions on this is generally that 99% of players that play both online and live regurlarly will suggest mostly online players are much better players,Whereas most live players don't agree with this obv as they get defensive since they don't play online.

ive played more probably online but obv i prefer live. not being defensive about live players, ive seen some terrible players on both, i just dont get how there can be a distinction between the two. In a way its disrepectful to somene like moorman to say he's a good internet poker player. At the end of the day he's a good poker player. FACT.

I think most people see him as a great poker player not just a great online poker player since the fundamentals are the same but since i now get bored sitting playing 1 table live now that i'm geting used to playing 4 at once online i can't imagine how boring sick multitablers such as moorman must feel sitting playing just 1 tourney

PS Hi Gamblor21 mate was fun sitting next to you at blonde bash wp on the 2nd and yeah looks like something productive may come of the thread lol

geordie bias or you just cos u dont have to do it every week?

Geordie Bias ? He's from Artly-Pooool.

[celtic]

all the same innit!!!