double your money bubble

[Ironside]

you are 2/6 with 5 getting double there money back
1/6 has about 4500 you have 3000 the rest are pretty even

blinds are 100/200 with an ante and have the big stack on your left

your in sb and its folded to you you have KK do you push ?

[jizzemm]

you are 2/6 with 5 getting double there money back
1/6 has about 4500 you have 3000 the rest are pretty even

blinds are 100/200 with an ante and have the big stack on your left

your in sb and its folded to you you have KK do you push ?

no, but nothing wrong with a push imo

[WYSINWYG]

I've been playin some of these too, their bubble's a funny place, huh?

Here you are sitting slap bang in the middle of that ugly ground: you have almost enough chips to think of waiting for someone to crash, and a good enough hand to earn some chips to take you to safety.

My first question would be: what is the big stack like? If you raise 3XBB, is he going to bully you with position on any flop no matter what? Cos he can set you in for the bubble no matter what.

I would make a bet that commits you to the pot, like a bit over half your stack. Hopefully he refuses on principle to lay down TT>AK, and maybe you push on any flop (except Ace maybe). If he's hit, that's tough, wasn't your tourney.

Shove? Well, what's he calling a shove with? I've seen it called there with JJ=AK on principle. Mostly he's folding, bit of a waste of KK, when you have a stack that can still end up bubbling if you fail to capitalize on situations like this.

Depends also on the other guys, if you have a couple of nutters then you would have cashed just by doing nothing, so the safety in a shove or total passivity shoots up in value.

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[vegaslover]

Depends on the oppo, but most of the time at this stage i'm pushing pre. There is no value in risking letting him have a chance to hit a flop.

[ScottMGee]

Your stack if enough to hurt him if he calls and loses and I'm pushing all in.

Its a complete over bet, but I'd rather he fold his Ace rag than call.

Folding is not the worst decision, but I find then the short stacks always survive and you end up folding your blinds and getting into trouble.

If the big stack had pushed all in before you were to act, then its a lot closer decision between calling and folding.

I regularly fold AK preflop to an all in in these games as I cannot see the value, does anyone agree with me.

[TheChipPrince]

you are 2/6 with 5 getting double there money back
1/6 has about 4500 you have 3000 the rest are pretty even

blinds are 100/200 with an ante and have the big stack on your left

your in sb and its folded to you you have KK do you push ?

But do they have 1000 each or 2500?

[Longy]

how much does the bb have? Your stack is pretty irrelevant if you have bb covered.

[TheChipPrince]

how much does the bb have? Your stack is pretty irrelevant if you have bb covered.

you are 2/6 with 5 getting double there money back
1/6 has about 4500 you have 3000 the rest are pretty even

blinds are 100/200 with an ante and have the big stack on your left
your in sb and its folded to you you have KK do you push ?

[ShatnerPants]

I stick in 500. 

He wont call a push with anything other than a major hand, so you probably wont pick up any extra.  He might push back at you with AJ or similar, which is fine ( or even KQ if you're lucky and he's a bully ).  You're in front of his range and can't fold scared at this stage (unless one of the shorties is on 300 or so )

[Longy]

I like the shove better than the other options, due to the uniqueness of the bubble in these games. Maximizing our chip EV in this spot is not in our interest as our dollar Ev is not closely related to it in this spot. Therefore we want to maximise our fold equity and pick up the pot especially with the antes.

[LOJ]

you are 2/6 with 5 getting double there money back
1/6 has about 4500 you have 3000 the rest are pretty even

blinds are 100/200 with an ante and have the big stack on your left

your in sb and its folded to you you have KK do you push ?

I've been playing a few of these with varied success and bubble is a hoirrible spot.  If you are on 100/200 the shorties are on push or fold as it is so no need to tangle with the CL.  AS they move fast, he is going to call a raise with any big A so a shove is a good way of getting the hand over with and letting the shortied deal with the blinds....

[Ironside]

other stacks were between 1800 and 2200

i shoved he woke up with aces and i bubbled

when thinking about it later i dont think i needed to play another hand
although the rest of them were getting steals in vrs the blinds i was unable/unwilling too against the big stack
but surely i had enough to sit back and let the 4 smaller stacks fight it out

[WYSINWYG]

other stacks were between 1800 and 2200

i shoved he woke up with aces and i bubbled

when thinking about it later i dont think i needed to play another hand
although the rest of them were getting steals in vrs the blinds i was unable/unwilling too against the big stack
but surely i had enough to sit back and let the 4 smaller stacks fight it out

Unlucky, cold deck. Mind you, with a shove he's either folding or callng with that hand. I've seen calls with AK there (I have AK and I am NOT folding kind of routine).
Say two of the stacks are 800 and 1000, you limp with KK there and he shoves, what do you do then?

[vegaslover]

other stacks were between 1800 and 2200

i shoved he woke up with aces and i bubbled

when thinking about it later i dont think i needed to play another hand
although the rest of them were getting steals in vrs the blinds i was unable/unwilling too against the big stack
but surely i had enough to sit back and let the 4 smaller stacks fight it out

U played it fine, just a cold deck