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« on: October 28, 2008, 02:02:27 PM »

Home game, playing 4-handed on this hand. £20NL with 10p/20p blinds - ignore the fact this is low stakes, we're decent enough players but were just having a low stakes friendly game Smiley

CO folds
Villian raises to 60p on the button (Villian has been playing quite tight so far)
Hero calls in SB with   
BB calls

Pot: £1.80
Flop: 

Hero checks
BB checks
Villian bets 60p
Hero calls
BB folds

Pot: £3
Turn:   

Hero checks (this was a stupid check)
Villian checks

River: 

Hero bets £2
Villain raises to £8 and is all in


Is this an easy pass or should this be a call?
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2008, 02:14:28 PM »

I think i'd be calling, I think 2 pair on the turn is unlikely, Q10 is the only reasonable combo if he's tight... I would also re-pop pre-flop, A 10 is massive 4 handed... Again on the flop i'd be raising rather than calling, mid pair with nut draw against a button continuation bet, the turn check i dont mind actually first to act assuming you think he'll fire again...
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2008, 02:43:36 PM »

I think you played it fine, i would call the river.

I use to raise the flop but i think this is a mistake, as we fold out most worse hands and get called by most better hands. Simply having 2nd pair top kicker is a biggish hand in this spot, we might fold  or something but that is such a small part of villians range.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2008, 02:54:25 PM »

Why would you be thinking about folding here?

If he's got a house, he's got a house. You can never pass here to one raise.

Would prefer a raise pre and on the flop btw...
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2008, 12:04:25 PM »

The reasons for not raising pre and on the flop is that we're playing quite short handed, I'm trying to keep my game unpredictable. I usually would raise here, but in this instance decided not to.

Villian is quite a straightforward player, but is capable of making bluffs.

In this case though I simply didn't think he was bluffing. He usually bluffs after people check to him, not when they bet into him. Further, not to be big headed, but I was well chipped up at this point and pretty much in command of the game. For him to raise here I decided he had to have a real hand.

So, what does he have that he's shoving on this very scary looking board?

Trips? Possibly, though given four to a flush and a paired board this is a questionable move.
Flush? Possibly, though given he hasn't got the nut flush, and the board is paired this is a questionable move.
FH+? Likely. QQ/TT/66/QT are all candidates for a preflop raise. The flop bet is a little small if this is what he has but still makes sense. After I just call he's worried when that diamond comes down and checks. Then when I come betting on the paired board he's happy to raise all in. His action fits this hand perfectly.

Having come to this conclusion I called anyway and was shown 66. I knew this was a horrible call as soon as I made it and was so annoyed at myself as having worked it all out I then went completely against it and called anyway. Oh well...
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2008, 12:16:42 PM »

Its not a horrible call, jus a cold deck...
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2008, 12:24:40 PM »

Its not a horrible call, jus a cold deck...

^^Yup

95% of the time people's actions will fit their hands once you know what their hand is. He makes this move with the every time, and I'm sorry but it's for £6 so laying this down would be ridiculous...
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2008, 02:00:15 PM »

The reasons for not raising pre and on the flop is that we're playing quite short handed, I'm trying to keep my game unpredictable. I usually would raise here, but in this instance decided not to.

Villian is quite a straightforward player, but is capable of making bluffs.

In this case though I simply didn't think he was bluffing. He usually bluffs after people check to him, not when they bet into him. Further, not to be big headed, but I was well chipped up at this point and pretty much in command of the game. For him to raise here I decided he had to have a real hand.

So, what does he have that he's shoving on this very scary looking board?

Trips? Possibly, though given four to a flush and a paired board this is a questionable move.
Flush? Possibly, though given he hasn't got the nut flush, and the board is paired this is a questionable move.
FH+? Likely. QQ/TT/66/QT are all candidates for a preflop raise. The flop bet is a little small if this is what he has but still makes sense. After I just call he's worried when that diamond comes down and checks. Then when I come betting on the paired board he's happy to raise all in. His action fits this hand perfectly.

Having come to this conclusion I called anyway and was shown 66. I knew this was a horrible call as soon as I made it and was so annoyed at myself as having worked it all out I then went completely against it and called anyway. Oh well...

n thoughts, if hes tight and abc hes never bluffing/ value raising like the 8th nuts so fold.
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