EPT Steps-Bubble..Is this a time to fold Aces?

[pokerfan]

good call by the chipleader for more than 30% of his stack with 9 5. If he folds like he should have done then Tinsel is home and dry. Bad play rewarded nicely IMO. Dont know whether i could fold AA here to be honest. Probably have to run away and time out and hope it works out.

the 9.5 is the pusher on the button 3k stack

[celtic]

i knew that, just checking everyone following properly*




























* the above sentence may be a lie.

[TightEnd]

Just read the rest of thread, cringreworthy stuff. For the first time ever, I can see why OP wants to not post on blonde again.

good post. please note!

[byronkincaid]

zomg i can't pass aces, fk the maths

[George2Loose]

I apologise I missed the fact that there was a caller b4 you!!!! doh

[GreekStein]

lets all have a cuppa, watch Im a Celebrity and we can discuss this later

[pokerfan]

Davids a shoe in for first eviction

[GreekStein]

David is an utter tossbag

I dont much like that Nicola either

[MANTIS01]

Just read the rest of thread, cringreworthy stuff. For the first time ever, I can see why OP wants to not post on blonde again.

It is a completely valid question, for reasons which Mosk outlined, the steps structure is a bit like sattellites as the jumps in payout structure lead to extremely tight play around the bubble as it is simply about finishing in the top 2 here.

The validity of the question is diminished because the result of the individual hand is posted. So the poster asks...what you say is a valid question...but asks it in light of what happened to him. You can certainly filter the post to unearth a question should you wish and then say the question is valid out of it's original context. But you would be doing that in an attempt to prove quite a fragile point. Because if I was genuinely interested in the answers I wouldn't post the bad-beat result at the same time. Would you? I find giving due care to the content of one's replies when the op isn't interested in what you have to say hard. If op really wanted to know the answer to this why does he want the thread removed after the first reply? Longy, if you are interested in PHA success then why is highlighting that cringeworthy? And why is championing the op at the expense of good regular posters at all helpful really

Mondatoo, who seems like a good poster, points Tinsel Town's bb story to the whinge thread. Fair play. Tinsel Town calls him rude?? Mondatoo says sorry. Tinsel Town flips out?? I said someone made a chess set out of poo. Where is the cringworthy part of that sequence ffs?

[Longy]

Just read the rest of thread, cringreworthy stuff. For the first time ever, I can see why OP wants to not post on blonde again.

It is a completely valid question, for reasons which Mosk outlined, the steps structure is a bit like sattellites as the jumps in payout structure lead to extremely tight play around the bubble as it is simply about finishing in the top 2 here.

The validity of the question is diminished because the result of the individual hand is posted. So the poster asks...what you say is a valid question...but asks it in light of what happened to him. You can certainly filter the post to unearth a question should you wish and then say the question is valid out of it's original context. But you would be doing that in an attempt to prove quite a fragile point. Because if I was genuinely interested in the answers I wouldn't post the bad-beat result at the same time. Would you? I find giving due care to the content of one's replies when the op isn't interested in what you have to say hard. If op really wanted to know the answer to this why does he want the thread removed after the first reply? Longy, if you are interested in PHA success then why is highlighting that cringeworthy? And why is championing the op at the expense of good regular posters at all helpful really

Mondatoo, who seems like a good poster, points Tinsel Town's bb story to the whinge thread. Fair play. Tinsel Town calls him rude?? Mondatoo says sorry. Tinsel Town flips out?? I said someone made a chess set out of poo. Where is the cringworthy part of that sequence ffs?

Obviously me and you have different views on OP's reason for posting this thread, I view it as geniune question and you as a bad beat whinge.

I happen to agreee that posting results is a bad thing all the way round and have posted so on multiple occasions, regs and newbies a like do this. So i don't see that as a reason to think OP was not asking a geniune question. If you want to debate whether results should be revealed, we are on the same side of the fence and I think 90% of PHA posts (occasionally posting results is relevant to the analysis) shouldn't include results. To stop results orientated thinking, which includes telling OP's to stop moaning.

The fact is this hand is interesting and is quite close, in fact as you can see i think it is fold and the maths backs this up. So posting the hand is entirely relevant and shouldn't have been dismissed so quickly, whatever OP's motives.

I felt the replies were unnecessarilly harsh especially when they were wrong (we can argue for calling or folding but it is close) and this is not at all in the spirit of blonde and was very reminiscent of other forums.

Whether posters are regular or not is a bit of a non-arguement especially if the debate is going to reach the level of analysis exhibited early in this thread. If what regulars post is going to be complete unconstructive and indeed quite clearly misinformed. This is not going to lead to a particularly good PHA board imo, give me a bunch of informed constructive views from newbies any day of the week. In an ideal world regular posters will exhibit the latter traits. I don't think Tinsel town was out of line or flipped out particularly, I can see why he would be disappointed by the replies he got and thought posting on blonde wasn't a worthwhile experience.

I think you know i care about PHA success and try my best to contribute as much as i can to this board.

End Mantis length post, without the good literacy skills.

[MANTIS01]

Very nice. If that's how you feel fair play. Just making a discussion of it would have proved your point. You see if you defend the op by saying this....

I don't think Tinsel town was out of line or flipped out particularly, I can see why he would be disappointed by the replies he got and thought posting on blonde wasn't a worthwhile experience.

...you would be saying that after 2 posts over 5 minutes and just 8 words it's understandable that he feels disappointed in Blonde PHA, and it's ok for him to call Mondatoo rude. And after a few more minutes and a very generous Mondatoo apology it's ok to be flipping out and calling for moderation. Sorry I don't agree with this part. He was out of line. If you ignore his haste, his bad beat story and his insult then I agree he's just a newbie looking for a bit of advice.

[mondatoo]

Sigh, this really does seem like a bad beat thread to me and I did state that it wasn't my intention to be rude or have an arguement about it i asked what his thought behind folding was so was open to the suggestion that this could be a legitimate question,I think anyone who knows me or reads my posts knows that i don't look to stir it are or make blonde look bad in anyway.I greatly appreciate some of the effort that some of the better players on here(i'm certainly not inc myself in that baracket) put into helping players to analyse hands and get something out of the pha board which is why i find it annoying when people waste 5 minutes of peoples time just to read a bad beat then it puts of a good player from even looking at hands as they don't want to read another bad beat story.

I certainly don't think what i said was cringeworthy but everyone's entitled to an opinion I certainly wouldn't wish to make someone not want to post on here as i get a lot out of the forum so try to give back whenever i can maybe i haven't done that here but i really don't see anyone ever folding in this spot to be fair,the maths seems a bit strange to me obviously i'm not clued up enough on cetain aspects of maths in poker,as i see it we've the nuts we get it all in pre we're at least 80% fav to win the hand,i believe and if we win the hand we are gtd seat through to next step they guy gets look on us.If we fold for some bizzare reason imo i guess we just hope the other player busto's

Apologies to those who think i was out of order

[doubleup]

i'm not clued up enough on cetain aspects of maths in poker,

And Longy has kindly lifted the fog of you ignorance.  Irrespective of the OPs motive for postng the hand illustrates dramatically a hugely important concept in steps tournies.

[Tinsel Town]

Sigh, this really does seem like a bad beat thread to me and I did state that it wasn't my intention to be rude or have an arguement about it i asked what his thought behind folding was so was open to the suggestion that this could be a legitimate question,I think anyone who knows me or reads my posts knows that i don't look to stir it are or make blonde look bad in anyway.I greatly appreciate some of the effort that some of the better players on here(i'm certainly not inc myself in that baracket) put into helping players to analyse hands and get something out of the pha board which is why i find it annoying when people waste 5 minutes of peoples time just to read a bad beat then it puts of a good player from even looking at hands as they don't want to read another bad beat story.

I certainly don't think what i said was cringeworthy but everyone's entitled to an opinion I certainly wouldn't wish to make someone not want to post on here as i get a lot out of the forum so try to give back whenever i can maybe i haven't done that here but i really don't see anyone ever folding in this spot to be fair,the maths seems a bit strange to me obviously i'm not clued up enough on cetain aspects of maths in poker,as i see it we've the nuts we get it all in pre we're at least 80% fav to win the hand,i believe and if we win the hand we are gtd seat through to next step they guy gets look on us.If we fold for some bizzare reason imo i guess we just hope the other player busto's

Apologies to those who think i was out of order

Mondatoo...I apologise for calling you rude..I understand ,looking back, why you'd feel this was a whinging bad beat thread I'd opened.
I've been playing poker long enough to accept bad beats.. I accept i should have presented it differently and perhaps refrained from 'flipping out'.


I insta called here..and afterwards felt that I should have folded considering the Step structure. I called into a three way pot which i had to win.

Thanks to all who responded

TT

 
 

[mondatoo]

Sigh, this really does seem like a bad beat thread to me and I did state that it wasn't my intention to be rude or have an arguement about it i asked what his thought behind folding was so was open to the suggestion that this could be a legitimate question,I think anyone who knows me or reads my posts knows that i don't look to stir it are or make blonde look bad in anyway.I greatly appreciate some of the effort that some of the better players on here(i'm certainly not inc myself in that baracket) put into helping players to analyse hands and get something out of the pha board which is why i find it annoying when people waste 5 minutes of peoples time just to read a bad beat then it puts of a good player from even looking at hands as they don't want to read another bad beat story.

I certainly don't think what i said was cringeworthy but everyone's entitled to an opinion I certainly wouldn't wish to make someone not want to post on here as i get a lot out of the forum so try to give back whenever i can maybe i haven't done that here but i really don't see anyone ever folding in this spot to be fair,the maths seems a bit strange to me obviously i'm not clued up enough on cetain aspects of maths in poker,as i see it we've the nuts we get it all in pre we're at least 80% fav to win the hand,i believe and if we win the hand we are gtd seat through to next step they guy gets look on us.If we fold for some bizzare reason imo i guess we just hope the other player busto's

Apologies to those who think i was out of order

Mondatoo...I apologise for calling you rude..I understand ,looking back, why you'd feel this was a whinging bad beat thread I'd opened.
I've been playing poker long enough to accept bad beats.. I accept i should have presented it differently and perhaps refrained from 'flipping out'.


I insta called here..and afterwards felt that I should have folded considering the Step structure. I called into a three way pot which i had to win.

Thanks to all who responded

TT

 
 

Fair play i can see why you'd flip out which is fair enough glad to see you have seen the support for your post.I still don't see how in this situation anything can explain a fold here but maybe i will learn someday that the -ev and the rest of the maths stuff can somehow make this a fold,just out of interest if this exact same scenario came up again would you consider folding ?