Advice deep in MTTs with HH of situations...

[anthonyl]

Full Tilt Poker Game #9198289566: $6,500 Guarantee (1r+1a) (70195274), Table 11 - 2000/4000 Ante 500 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:36:48 ET - 2008/11/27
Seat 2: talent84 (65,880)
Seat 3: Mr_Bond222 (82,333)
Seat 5: hocman_05 (214,748)
Seat 6: sproyo (309,624)
Seat 7: Benvenutti (31,030)
Seat 8: fishycheese (102,930)
talent84 antes 500
Mr_Bond222 antes 500
hocman_05 antes 500
sproyo antes 500
Benvenutti antes 500
fishycheese antes 500
talent84 posts the small blind of 2,000
Mr_Bond222 posts the big blind of 4,000
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to talent84 [ Ah]
hocman_05 has 15 seconds left to act
hocman_05 folds
sproyo folds
Benvenutti has 15 seconds left to act
Benvenutti folds
fishycheese folds
talent84...........


What is your play here?

Full Tilt Poker Game #9008248636: $6,500 Guarantee (1r+1a) (68785627), Table 40 - 2500/5000 Ante 600 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:41:23 ET - 2008/11/16
Seat 1: donkyalert (116,116)
Seat 3: talent84 (97,068)
Seat 5: kvikvi (62,366)
Seat 6: thenutzak (52,080), is sitting out
Seat 7: iouiou (47,812)
Seat 8: thang911 (55,741)
Seat 9: superfolde (184,286)
donkyalert antes 600
talent84 antes 600
kvikvi antes 600
thenutzak antes 600
iouiou antes 600
thang911 antes 600
superfolde antes 600
donkyalert posts the small blind of 2,500
talent84 posts the big blind of 5,000
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to talent84 [ ]
kvikvi has 15 seconds left to act
kvikvi folds
thenutzak folds
iouiou folds
thang911 folds
superfolde folds
donkyalert raises to 15,000
talent84.......


And here? Reads on the raiser - quite agg at the table, and pokertracker has him on 56% attention to steal.


Full Tilt Poker Game #7876599897: $7,500 KO Guarantee (59156788), Table 54 - 1200/2400 Ante 300 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:43:56 ET - 2008/08/31
Seat 1: chicken_inc (19,116)
Seat 2: fullbreakfast (32,847)
Seat 3: shrek1314 (65,138)
Seat 4: chippsahoy (18,769)
Seat 6: dane209 (25,849)
Seat 8: sickallkris (68,570)
Seat 9: talent84 (31,921)
chicken_inc antes 300
fullbreakfast antes 300
shrek1314 antes 300
chippsahoy antes 300
dane209 antes 300
sickallkris antes 300
talent84 antes 300
chicken_inc posts the small blind of 1,200
fullbreakfast posts the big blind of 2,400
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to talent84 [ As]
shrek1314 folds
chippsahoy folds
dane209 has 15 seconds left to act
dane209 folds
sickallkris folds
talent84 ............

And here?

I'd like to know why u r doing what u say! Thanks.

[AndrewT]

1 - Shove - only one player to get through and you haz an ace.
2 - The PT stat doesn't mean a whole lot in a tournament - it's more a question of working out if he's going to be raising with ATC here. In these situations I tend to shove and get snapped by a genuinely good hand, as I never believe people's raises in this situation. It's read dependent - if you think he knows what he's doing then shove. Otherwise fold.
3 - Shove. Any standard raise from you commits you to sticking two-thirds of your chips in if SB shoves, and you may as well not give the BB the option to push you out if the SB folds.

[kinboshi]

1 - Shove - only one player to get through and you haz an ace.
2 - The PT stat doesn't mean a whole lot in a tournament - it's more a question of working out if he's going to be raising with ATC here. In these situations I tend to shove and get snapped by a genuinely good hand, as I never believe people's raises in this situation. It's read dependent - if you think he knows what he's doing then shove. Otherwise fold.
3 - Shove. Any standard raise from you commits you to sticking two-thirds of your chips in if SB shoves, and you may as well not give the BB the option to push you out if the SB folds.

Doesn't the PT stat refer to the third scenario rather than the second one?

[Longy]

1 - Shove - only one player to get through and you haz an ace.
2 - The PT stat doesn't mean a whole lot in a tournament - it's more a question of working out if he's going to be raising with ATC here. In these situations I tend to shove and get snapped by a genuinely good hand, as I never believe people's raises in this situation. It's read dependent - if you think he knows what he's doing then shove. Otherwise fold.
3 - Shove. Any standard raise from you commits you to sticking two-thirds of your chips in if SB shoves, and you may as well not give the BB the option to push you out if the SB folds.

Doesn't the PT stat refer to the third scenario rather than the second one?

Err don't think so Kin, there is no raise in hand 3 but there is hand 2.

1 & 3 are shoves with antes in play against pretty much any range in fact 1 is inexploitable.

2 i probs fold here i would need to know he lays down a good % of his range before shoving and that 56% is over a good sample size.

[kinboshi]

1 - Shove - only one player to get through and you haz an ace.
2 - The PT stat doesn't mean a whole lot in a tournament - it's more a question of working out if he's going to be raising with ATC here. In these situations I tend to shove and get snapped by a genuinely good hand, as I never believe people's raises in this situation. It's read dependent - if you think he knows what he's doing then shove. Otherwise fold.
3 - Shove. Any standard raise from you commits you to sticking two-thirds of your chips in if SB shoves, and you may as well not give the BB the option to push you out if the SB folds.

Doesn't the PT stat refer to the third scenario rather than the second one?

Err don't think so Kin, there is no raise in hand 3 but there is hand 2.

1 & 3 are shoves with antes in play against pretty much any range in fact 1 is inexploitable.

2 i probs fold here i would need to know he lays down a good % of his range before shoving and that 56% is over a good sample size.

Yeah - my bad - ignore me.

What's your range in scenario one for the shove?  ATC, or anything vaguely half-decent?

[Longy]

1 - Shove - only one player to get through and you haz an ace.
2 - The PT stat doesn't mean a whole lot in a tournament - it's more a question of working out if he's going to be raising with ATC here. In these situations I tend to shove and get snapped by a genuinely good hand, as I never believe people's raises in this situation. It's read dependent - if you think he knows what he's doing then shove. Otherwise fold.
3 - Shove. Any standard raise from you commits you to sticking two-thirds of your chips in if SB shoves, and you may as well not give the BB the option to push you out if the SB folds.

Doesn't the PT stat refer to the third scenario rather than the second one?

Err don't think so Kin, there is no raise in hand 3 but there is hand 2.

1 & 3 are shoves with antes in play against pretty much any range in fact 1 is inexploitable.

2 i probs fold here i would need to know he lays down a good % of his range before shoving and that 56% is over a good sample size.

Yeah - my bad - ignore me.

What's your range in scenario one for the shove?  ATC, or anything vaguely half-decent?

Depends on bb but it is not far from atc, probs fold the bottom 20% for image reason

[anthonyl]

okay, in the first scenario i just open shoved, and just got ul to run into AK, was just seeing if anyone would play it any different.

so what stack would you just raise with in scenario 1 with the same cards? say if i had 85k, and you raise to 13k, are you folding to his shove?

for scenario 2, the raisers stats are over about 121 hands, over levels 1 to the current level.