He 12 bets me on the flop, what should I do?!

[MC]

Weird-ass limit hand from yesterday. I kept raising cos I thought "there's no way he has Queens". But by the 12th raise he convinced me that's all he could have! I have to shut down on the turn I think cos the only other viable hand I could think of was perhaps

Should i have kept raising, or did I perhaps raise too many times. Perhaps this is just a freak hand that doesn't really need analysis, I dunno. (No reads, except after 8 hands he was 75/25, with 50 3Bet, making me think he would certainly 3 bet QQ)


(It's actually €2/4 limit but I have to convert to party poker style hands for it to import to Hold em Manager)
***** Hand History for Game 1348811451 *****
$2.00/$4.00 Limit Texas Hold'em - Thursday, December 04, 07:07:35 ET 2008
Table Table TH 33 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: kotomini2 ( $132.25 USD )
Seat 2: Molsku ( $208.76 USD )
Seat 5: Atkinator- ( $254.16 USD )
Atkinator- posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
kotomini2 posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Atkinator- [  ]
Molsku folds
Atkinator- raises [$3.00 USD]
kotomini2 raises [$4.00 USD]
Atkinator- calls [$2.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
Atkinator- bets [$2.00 USD]
kotomini2 raises [$4.00 USD]
Atkinator- raises [$4.00 USD]
kotomini2 raises [$4.00 USD]
Atkinator- raises [$4.00 USD]
kotomini2 raises [$4.00 USD]
Atkinator- raises [$4.00 USD]
kotomini2 raises [$4.00 USD]
Atkinator- raises [$4.00 USD]
kotomini2 raises [$4.00 USD]
Atkinator- raises [$4.00 USD]
kotomini2 raises [$4.00 USD]
Atkinator- calls [$2.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
Atkinator- checks
kotomini2 bets [$4.00 USD]
Atkinator- calls [$4.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
Atkinator- checks
kotomini2 bets [$4.00 USD]
Atkinator- calls [$4.00 USD]
kotomini2 shows [, ]
Atkinator- shows [, ]
Atkinator- wins $73.00 USD from main pot

[doubleup]

in limit if you dont lose the maximum set over set you didn't play it right.  So you shouldve kept raising till he called or all the money went in

[TheChipPrince]

in POKER if you dont lose the maximum set over set you didn't play it right.  So you shouldve kept raising till he called or all the money went in

FYP

[Longy]

Lol @ this hand, i love the fact that after he gets 11 bet, he still think is overpair is good.

[anthonyl]

I need my friend to see if he can find his hand, after the sam type of betting on the flop of minraising, the guy folded to about the 7th min raise my friend did?! LOL

[MC]

in limit if you dont lose the maximum set over set you didn't play it right.  So you shouldve kept raising till he called or all the money went in

I disagree with this. In limit, generally people only go above 6 bets if they have the nuts. To get all the money in here I'd theoretically have to raise over 30 times. Surely by raise 20 you'd be a little worried about QQ if not at bet 12? Obv I wish I had done this in this scenario but I dunno...

Are you telling me I should've kept raising in this pot? Admittedly 3 hands have me beat not just one. But same principle. In NL all the money is going in. But here I actually felt I lost a couple of bets too many...

***** Hand History for Game 1348694466 *****
$2.00/$4.00 Limit Texas Hold'em - Thursday, December 04, 05:57:50 ET 2008
Table Table TH 33 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 3: Tungus ( $120.00 USD )
Seat 4: Atkinator- ( $254.00 USD )
Seat 1: -Nuts__ ( $200.94 USD )
Seat 2: Buuni ( $106.50 USD )
Seat 5: borys05 ( $617.78 USD )
Tungus posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
Atkinator- posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Atkinator- [  ]
borys05 calls [$2.00 USD]
-Nuts__ folds
Buuni raises [$4.00 USD]
Tungus folds
Atkinator- calls [$2.00 USD]
borys05 calls [$2.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ As, , ]
Atkinator- checks
borys05 checks
Buuni bets [$2.00 USD]
Atkinator- calls [$2.00 USD]
borys05 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
Atkinator- checks
Buuni bets [$4.00 USD]
Atkinator- raises [$8.00 USD]
Buuni calls [$4.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
Atkinator- bets [$4.00 USD]
Buuni raises [$8.00 USD]
Atkinator- raises [$8.00 USD]
Buuni raises [$8.00 USD]
Atkinator- raises [$8.00 USD]
Buuni raises [$8.00 USD]
Atkinator- calls [$4.00 USD]
Buuni shows [, ]
Atkinator- shows [, ]
Buuni wins $78.00 USD from main pot

Lol @ this hand, i love the fact that after he gets 11 bet, he still think is overpair is good.

Yeah lol, I hope to see more of this player!

[doubleup]

The only reason to stop betting the flop here is to checkraise the turn

[MC]

The only reason to stop betting the flop here is to checkraise the turn

Yeah, I'd have done this with a blank, but if he 5 bet me at this point, I just call. He either has deuces or Queens. But you'd have to give weighting queens as deuces would at least recognised it's beaten by 2 hands. Most ppl would not play any other hand like this.

Do you play fixed limit dude?

[doubleup]

Do you play fixed limit dude?

I used to play it all the time.  There is no point in posting freakish hands to justify weak play in limit.  There is obv a thought process where you have to consider "what does he think I have" given the agression you have shown as well as your view of what he has given his aggresion.  As these ranges narrow you have can choose to stop raising, but given the generally huge aggression of online limit today, I don't think you should allow an opponent to gain control of a hand fearing that he has an overset.

[MC]

I used to play it all the time.  There is no point in posting freakish hands to justify weak play in limit.  There is obv a thought process where you have to consider "what does he think I have" given the agression you have shown as well as your view of what he has given his aggresion.  As these ranges narrow you have can choose to stop raising, but given the generally huge aggression of online limit today, I don't think you should allow an opponent to gain control of a hand fearing that he has an overset.

Okay, thank you for the explanation

[bragunn]

not as many min raises, but was nl. made me laugh

PokerStars Game #22008636749: Tournament #118937371, $10.70+$1.00 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level II (15/30) - 2008/11/13 15:06:07 ET
Table '118937371 4' 10-max Seat #10 is the button
Seat 2: JoeDiego (3194 in chips)
Seat 8: bragunn (1830 in chips)
Seat 9: frank247218 (1301 in chips)
Seat 10: MOLYKA54 (1175 in chips)
JoeDiego: posts small blind 15
bragunn: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bragunn [ ]
frank247218: raises 60 to 90
MOLYKA54: folds
JoeDiego: folds
bragunn: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [ ]
bragunn: checks
frank247218: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
bragunn: bets 90
frank247218: raises 90 to 180
bragunn: raises 90 to 270
frank247218: raises 150 to 420
bragunn: raises 150 to 570
frank247218: folds
Uncalled bet (150) returned to bragunn
bragunn collected 1035 from pot
bragunn: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1035 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 2: JoeDiego (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: bragunn (big blind) collected (1035)
Seat 9: frank247218 folded on the Turn
Seat 10: MOLYKA54 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[anthonyl]

PokerStars Game #22714819166: Tournament #125561023, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/12/08 0:23:42 CET [2008/12/07 18:23:42 ET]
Table '125561023 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Convict7777 (2740 in chips)
Seat 2: rick2419 (1320 in chips)
Seat 3: fludac (1580 in chips)
Seat 5: 1shotkarate (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: tommyBstring (1240 in chips)
Seat 7: gargamel01 (1450 in chips)
Seat 8: leonweber (2140 in chips)
Seat 9: talent84 (1530 in chips)
leonweber: posts small blind 10
talent84: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to talent84 [ ]
Convict7777: folds
rick2419: folds
fludac: folds
1shotkarate: calls 20
tommyBstring: calls 20
gargamel01: folds
leonweber: calls 10
talent84: raises 80 to 100
1shotkarate: folds
tommyBstring: folds
leonweber: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [ ]
leonweber: checks
talent84: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
leonweber: checks
talent84: bets 20
leonweber: raises 60 to 80
talent84: raises 120 to 200
leonweber: raises 120 to 320
talent84: raises 400 to 720
leonweber: raises 400 to 1120
talent84: raises 310 to 1430 and is all-in
leonweber: calls 310
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
leonweber: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Jacks)
talent84: shows [ ] (a full house, Queens full of Jacks)
talent84 collected 3100 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3100 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: Convict7777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: rick2419 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: fludac folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: 1shotkarate folded before Flop
Seat 6: tommyBstring folded before Flop
Seat 7: gargamel01 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: leonweber (small blind) showed [ ] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 9: talent84 (big blind) showed [ ] and won (3100) with a full house, Queens full of Jacks