Nottingham Gala- Lack of Vision

[Junior Senior]

I agree Simon - now the cut rule has been brought in - the integrity of the deal has vastly increased and has made for a better game.

[Karabiner]

Perhaps when you have been playing poker in casinos, clubs and spielers as long as I have Tikay,

you might agree with me.

There are many serious problems which arise from not having "proper dealers" which I have discussed with you privately.

Not the least of which is the lack of a proper shuffle and cut.

I have been a staunch supporter of Nottm. Gala (previously ladbrokes International and before that Stakis)
cardroom for about 15 years now, and hardly missed a poker night until they withdrew the dealers
and the cardroom evolved into a state of , I believe you used the word anarchy earlier, that does fit.

So to simply say that I view the glass as half empty seems flippant to me.

There is nothing I would like to see more than a cardroom in Nottinham like they have in Sheffield or Walsall,

Or used to have in Derby a few years ago.

I would give it my wholehearted support.

But I will continue to call a spade a spade, and refer to folk whom I consider to have scales over their eyes as "in denial"

[Karabiner]

I agree Simon - now the cut rule has been brought in - the integrity of the deal has vastly increased and has made for a better game.

Wow they brought in a rule where the cards have to be cut.

Now that is progress !!

[Ironside]

There seems to be an undercurrent from Karabiner that the dealer situation in Notts taints the fairness of the games.

While I would prefer house dealers (which would surely mean a reg fee, currently not levied in the 20/30 comps) I think that the situation since January where there is independent cutting before the deal and a regular pool of local guys who deal for "a meal and 20 off the prize pool" is good enough for me (and many others).

20 of the prize pool per dealer is the same as the max 10% reg fee and i am with karabiner here i dotn think i would play in a self dealt game too much oppotunity for underhand goings on

[Junior Senior]

so are you playing the 250 Ralph?

[tikay]

You have failed to read my post properly Ralph, but if you want to say I am in denial, fine.

What I said was you are entitled to your view, & I am entitled to mine. But if you & I step aside, 100+ guys 4 nights a week seem to think it's OK.

And I am being flippant? "Wow, they have bought in a rule where cards have to be cut - now that's progress" may seem a tad flippant, sarcastic or ironic to the wiser eyes amongst our readers.....They used to do it wrong, they do it right now. How long do we have to keep resurrecting history before you let it go?

You can moan & whine all day about Notts, so can I, & we can determine not to attend any more, as you have. But the 100 guys who attend 4 nights a week are having a ball. We wish you were amongst us, but you aint. Your choice. But lets not spoil it for the guys who enjoy Notts. And that includes me.

See you in Sheffield on Thursday, hopefully, Ralph.

Now, Ironside. "20 per dealer is the same as the max 10% reg fee". No it's not. Assume 10 dealers, that's 200, the prize pool for a 30 comp at Notts averages about 10,000, so thats 2%. The meals are provided by Gala.

[Ironside]

Now, Ironside. "20 per dealer is the same as the max 10% reg fee". No it's not. Assume 10 dealers, that's 200, the prize pool for a 30 comp at Notts averages about 10,000, so thats 2%. The meals are provided by Gala.

by law the gala can only charge 10% of orginal buy in as a fee on a 20 thats 2 a head or 20 per table (assuming a sell out)
ok 10 free meals are given out which is a bonus to the dealers but no intrest to those paying in or getting 200 taken out the prize pool

[tikay]

And in case anyone should get the impression from Karabiner's post that I used the word "anarchy" in connection with Gala Notts, because that is the context he has placed it in, I did not.

I referred to "anarchy" on another subject altogether - the lack of a governing body for poker as a whole. A subject upon which, so far, & to a decent degree, Karabiner & I agree on, if not how to achieve it, certainly on the need for it. For now........

[Karabiner]

Tikay your statistics are becoming a joke:

Notts. has inreased by 200% in the last 2 years/ WSOP has increased by 1000%

The registration fee is 10% of the entry/ not 10% of the prize pool.

And I'm not saying that it's just you who is in denial,
it's all of the people who think iit's okay for the casino not to provide dealers

They don't even provide dealers for cash games.

[Karabiner]

so are you playing the 250 Ralph?

I'm playing a qualifier for the WSOP on betfair Sunday.

10 seats guaranteed

[tikay]

Phew, I am taking a battering here, where's the rest of the Notts cavalry....!

Ironside, I think we may be at cross purposes on the registration fee at Notts. They do not charge any registration fee, except when House Dealers are provided.

But those who Final contribute to the 20 per dealer, by agreeing to take that amount, usually off the first & second prizes. In a 100 runner, 20 comp, the Max Reg would be 200. 10 dealers at 20 each would be 200.

Karabiner. You may consider my stats a joke, but I would prefer that we don't start slinging insults at each other, particularly as I consider you a pal. But that does not mean they are not accurate. What has a 1000% increase in numbers at the WSOP got to do with a 200% increase in numbers at Notts? Notts is at capacity, it cannot squeeze any more players in!

Registration fee is 10% of the entry, not 10% of the prize pool, I agree, & apologise for mixing the two up. But given they dont charge a regstration fee, remind me of it's relevance.......

They don't provide dealers for cash games? Oh yes they do. (I await "oh no they don't".....).

Come on lads, have a rest from throwing stones at Notts for a few minutes, & congratulate Simon Nowab on his superb performance in Barcelona.

[Ironside]

charging 2 a head and suppling dealers would be better than giving 10 players (dealers) there money back

[tikay]

Agreed Ironside, but this is the whole point. Notts are NOT gonna provide House Dealers for 20 & 30 comps. They just aint! So we happily accept the next best thing.

You'd think Gala Notts were unique in this respect. I have attended entire Festivals in Brighton - Ranking Events, all of 'em - & all self-deal. Ditto Southampton. Ditto (though not in Festivals) in Luton. In Walsall. In Salford. In Teeside. In Stanleys Newcastle. In Derby. Dealer provided for the Final (thats Gaming Law) but not until the Final.

Of course we'd prefer dealers. But we'd prefer self-deal to no deal!

Given that so many Casinos still do self-deal, one has to wonder why Gala Notts is the subject, alone, of so much flak on the matter.

[Ironside]

i said i would not play at ANY casino that where it was self dealt glad you told me southampton was self dealt as i was meant to be trying to get there to play as my brother lives down that way and was going to visit him at same time

now i know not to bother

[tikay]

Southampton WILL be House Dealers, for the 500 Main Event on Sunday (thats the first time I believe) but it will be self-deal for Monday's 100 comp.

That's what their flyer says.