Easy Decision?

[snoopy1239]

Online 6-handed $1/2 cash. 4 players at the table. All fully stacked.

Button, solid player, no reason to think otherwise, limps.
I raise to $8 from small blind with .
He calls.

Flop =

I bet $14.
He calls.

Turn =

I bet $28.
He min-raises to $56.

I...

[pokerfan]

2 Options call the raise then cr allin the river or just stick it in now wich is what i prefer as you cant be sure he will bet on the end. Folding is not an option!

[MC]

I think you have to shove man,

2 flush draws out there and 3 is a pretty unlikely card for him to have with his preflop call.

Obviously you're beaten by some of his range, but AT, flush draws and other things very viable here...

[cooker3]

Shove and see TT or 33 always

[bolt pp]

Shove and see TT or 33 always

so you're always up against quads or nut FH here yeah? o.k.

[snoopy1239]

Shove and see TT or 33 always

so you're always up against quads or nut FH here yeah? o.k.

I think that was a tongue in cheek post to be fair.

[GreekStein]

I call.

[snoopy1239]

This one is still bothering me. Okay, what can we beat here? Surely he'll push with a flush draw? Who min-raises on the turn of that board? As for A-T, then surely that's a raise preflop. At the same time, so would pocket tens or a bigger pocket pair. I guess he could have 4-3s or A-3 perhaps, but is the chances of that less than him going crazy and bluff min-raising the turn? Is 6-6 the only likely hand that makes sense here?

[daviebhoy]

This one is still bothering me. Okay, what can we beat here?

You can beat a bluff - perhaps 56c that just picked up a straight draw and is trying to take you off your hand.

66 or 33 are most likely. A3s is a possibility aswell. He is trying to get it all-in here on the river I think and you have JJ to his house or trips. I don't like it but I fold. You can only call that raise to try and hit one of two J's IMO and the implied odds aint there. If you were in position here you might be able to call and see what he does on river but OOP here he is probably pushing when you check the river whether he has it or not. Without good info he is likely to be bluffing - Fold.

[T_Mar]

Not sure about the villain looking solid, his line is bizarre?!

Dont think he shows up with a min raise pure bluff here all that often tho??

Some kind of 3 (A3,34,35) is possible if he puts you on an OP so is not worried about the FD's ?? Would think he raised his PP's pre, but I guess 66 is possible also... These are the only hands I can think he plays like this that beat you... the rest must be made up of club draws (spade draw got to be unlikely given flop call, although AsTs may do this??)


Might be way off with this, but thought I'd give it a whirl... left big Aces out assuming he raises pre with these 



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Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    41.098%     41.10%    00.00%               868            0.00   { JdJh }
Hand 1:    58.902%     58.90%    00.00%              1244            0.00   { 66, AsTs, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, A3s, Ac2c, KcQc, KcJc, Kc9c, Kc8c, QcJc, Qc9c, Jc9c, 9c8c, 9c7c, 8c7c, 8c6c, 8c5c, 7c6c, 7c5c, 6c5c, 6c4c, 5c4c, A3o, 53o, 43o }


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Only thing he folds if you shove, is complete bluffs which I dont think he has very often ??  You could also argue he shoves/calls the turn with a draw himself rather than min rasie, so range above may not be all that accurate, you could be alot worse off than 40%

Sat here its a fold for me, probs shove if I'm at the table cos I'm a spewtard and have an overpair

nb.. Interested to know if you good people think this range is realistic or whether Im way off... ta

[Nem]

I think your range is way too loose and this is an easy fold.

[T_Mar]

I think your range is way too loose and this is an easy fold.

I agree I think fold is correct,

I dont think his range is restricted purely to hands that beat us tho, especially as he has already shown preflop he can play 'differently' ..the club draws would fit his play up to the turn, whether he min raises  at this point with one here is debateable but you see people doing it as a supposed cheap semi bluff

[snoopy1239]

I shoved, and he called with pocket tens.

[cooker3]

Shove and see TT or 33 always

Booya!

Anyway, while my reply was partly tongue in cheek and I just don't fold here. There are definitely people who literally will only have the nuts when they min raise the turn like this and with enough of a read you can fold to it.
You would also want to re-evaluate your read on him as solid. Limp calling TT pf 4 handed is horrific

[ardeecee]

Fwiw, I play lower than $1/$2 but in my limited experience, a min raise on the turn is nearly always the sign of a monster. TT surprised me, was certain you would say he had 66.