Flopped set on a 3 heart board

[Geo the Sarge]

I don't post often on PHA but I'm learning so I'll have a bash.

I think the opposite of Billy,

I think the button may well have better than MP guy.

I bet the flop here probs 1800-2000, by betting I feel I have more control of the pot. By not betting here I think MP guy is on a steal as he thinks buttton made up for value and MP has Ax at the most.

Button may recognise this and is playing to isolate/take the pot, although poss has a decent flush draw.


I shove here too

Geo

(now show me I'm a complete novice.)

Thanks for posting Geo.

The line i was taking was that if one of them bet, i could reraise, this would look strong and define my situation well.
When MP bet and the Button happily reraised it caught me a little of guard.

Tks Stu,

Thats why I like to bet out here, your problem isn't that you got the raise but you also get a re-raise. If I bet out here and I get MP re-raise,  Button calll or re-re- raise it's an easier fold.

Again I hope that makes sense.

Geo

[Longy]

Check pre. Shove now.

Surely if i check pre I would be in an even tougher spot now?

If we are going to be results orientated, then the answer to this is no. As the pot would be smaller and therefore you would have more options than fold/shove (calling effectively commits us to the hand).

As for the hand I would check my option pre, with a table that is seeing 6/7 to a flop you are going to pick up a few callers with a hand that is difficult to play post flop, oop and multiway.

I would bet this flop all of the time, we have a strong but vunerable hand. So i am doing this mainly for value and a bit of protection. As played you leave self in a pretty crap spot as I can imagine in these tournies not many are committing there stack without a strong hand. I would probably get it in as the pot is already offering a nice overlay and even against a made flush we spike our house a 1/3 of the time, but it is probably close.

[Colchester Kev]

Whack it in and then stand up and instruct the dealer to pair the board.

[bolt pp]

Check pre. Shove now.

this

I def just peel off a flop here, too tricky a hand to play OOP with so many limpers, just see a flop.

once youve raised pre come out fireing, i'm only checking to trap here so once theres action s-s-s-s-s-s-sHOVE!!!

[StuartHopkin]

stu, what was your thinking pf? the bet size seems a little odd to me with 6 limpers

My preflop raise was to get 1 or 2 callers so I could know where I stood a bit more on the flop.
I find myself doing this too much, partly because I hate people limping all the time.

As discussed last night, its not the right move, because im really only looking for a 7, and if i find one I want everyone in the pot.

[MANTIS01]

I agree with the rest of the guys and say that I would also check pre. But then again I don't think your raise is altogether bad, trying something else once in a while is plain ok. If you have a pretty solid image you're representing a stronger hand than you actually have, and if you intend to bet a number of flops e.g. K-x-x then the line is ok imo. If you don't hit your set and you just c-fold then that would make your raise bad imo. But if you do plan to bet these flops when you don't hit it makes even more sense to be consistent and bet when you do. This way your oppos can never be sure whether you have the nuts or air.

Now that you haven't bet out and you're faced with heavy action, especially the committing min-raise from a tight player, I wouldn't push all-in on the draw. The 1st guy is certain to have an Ace at least, but could have a set of 4's, and if you're behind to the flush, which I think is probable, a number of your outs may already be dead.

[StuartHopkin]

I agree with the rest of the guys and say that I would also check pre. But then again I don't think your raise is altogether bad, trying something else once in a while is plain ok. If you have a pretty solid image you're representing a stronger hand than you actually have, and if you intend to bet a number of flops e.g. K-x-x then the line is ok imo. If you don't hit your set and you just c-fold then that would make your raise bad imo. But if you do plan to bet these flops when you don't hit it makes even more sense to be consistent and bet when you do. This way your oppos can never be sure whether you have the nuts or air.

Now that you haven't bet out and you're faced with heavy action, especially the committing min-raise from a tight player, I wouldn't push all-in on the draw. The 1st guy is certain to have an Ace at least, but could have a set of 4's, and if you're behind to the flush, which I think is probable, a number of your outs may already be dead.

That is how i like to play, shorten the number of people in the pot then bet out on boards that I would appear to have hit. I would be c-betting any board that only had one over.
I have a pretty tight image and rarely have to show hands.

[GreekStein]

did you tell everyone you hadn't looked at your hand?

[George2Loose]

I agree with the rest of the guys and say that I would also check pre. But then again I don't think your raise is altogether bad, trying something else once in a while is plain ok. If you have a pretty solid image you're representing a stronger hand than you actually have, and if you intend to bet a number of flops e.g. K-x-x then the line is ok imo. If you don't hit your set and you just c-fold then that would make your raise bad imo. But if you do plan to bet these flops when you don't hit it makes even more sense to be consistent and bet when you do. This way your oppos can never be sure whether you have the nuts or air.

Now that you haven't bet out and you're faced with heavy action, especially the committing min-raise from a tight player, I wouldn't push all-in on the draw. The 1st guy is certain to have an Ace at least, but could have a set of 4's, and if you're behind to the flush, which I think is probable, a number of your outs may already be dead.

That is how i like to play, shorten the number of people in the pot then bet out on boards that I would appear to have hit. I would be c-betting any board that only had one over.
I have a pretty tight image and rarely have to show hands.

I really don't like the raise pre flop oop with this many limpers even if u do plan to c-bet. You could have picked up a lot more callers in this spot.

I think the way the action has gone you should get it in but next time just c-bet.

[MANTIS01]

I agree with the rest of the guys and say that I would also check pre. But then again I don't think your raise is altogether bad, trying something else once in a while is plain ok. If you have a pretty solid image you're representing a stronger hand than you actually have, and if you intend to bet a number of flops e.g. K-x-x then the line is ok imo. If you don't hit your set and you just c-fold then that would make your raise bad imo. But if you do plan to bet these flops when you don't hit it makes even more sense to be consistent and bet when you do. This way your oppos can never be sure whether you have the nuts or air.

Now that you haven't bet out and you're faced with heavy action, especially the committing min-raise from a tight player, I wouldn't push all-in on the draw. The 1st guy is certain to have an Ace at least, but could have a set of 4's, and if you're behind to the flush, which I think is probable, a number of your outs may already be dead.

That is how i like to play, shorten the number of people in the pot then bet out on boards that I would appear to have hit. I would be c-betting any board that only had one over.
I have a pretty tight image and rarely have to show hands.

Fair enough. But if that's the case then betting out when you hit a set is pretty vital to balance your play. Because if you check your set after raising, then give action, you are going to be a very easy player to strat against. Cos when you bet out it's likely you have a mediocre hand and when you c-call/raise you prob have a strong hand. So betting out for value & protection like Longy said as well as betting to balance your range gives you 3 very good reasons to bet out.

[EvilPie]

did you tell everyone you hadn't looked at your hand?

How do you know about this cos?

[GreekStein]

did you tell everyone you hadn't looked at your hand?

How do you know about this cos?

He used the line on me the first and only time I met Stu, when I raised JJ utg in a cash game and he repopped it quite big on the button. Instead of shoving pre I decided to peel a flop and get it in on the safe 1087 flop to be instacalled when Stu remarkably found his blind reraise was with kings.

[  ] I was upset when the   hit the turn

[AlexMartin]

sick spot, i run good though so buy the table a round to generate good karma then shove.

[MANTIS01]

I run bad, so the drinks...and the bill would arrive after I'd left the building. Not altogether bad I suppose.

[Cf]

I also just check preflop. 6 limpers + mid pocket pair = ideal imo.

Raising isn't bad, but I don't think you raised enough to get the folds you were after. If I was to raise here I put in at least an extra 1000 to either take the pot there and then (decent result in itself as it contains 1050) or try and get heads up.