£1/3 live hand from the Vic

[GreekStein]

First hand back after some food so posting £3 from 2 off the button. Playing £650. Image is pretty loose, been very active but not shown much down so far.

One limper, is an absolute fish. Older iranian gentleman. Not afraid to gamble with rags, hand after hand.

We look down at and notice that BB is counting out a raise. Dealer asks any raise. 'No' is our response. BB (playing £550) raises to £25. (Have played with him once before at another venue. From what I remember he wasn't terribly tricky or getting too out of line. No pots played against one another though). Older guy calls. We make it £85. BB calls, fish passes.

Flop  .

Villain leads for £150.

We?......

[AlexMartin]

First hand back after some food so posting £3 from 2 off the button. Playing £650. Image is pretty loose, been very active but not shown much down so far.

One limper, is an absolute fish. Older iranian gentleman. Not afraid to gamble with rags, hand after hand.

We look down at and notice that BB is counting out a raise. Dealer asks any raise. 'No' is our response. BB (playing £550) raises to £25. (Have played with him once before at another venue. From what I remember he wasn't terribly tricky or getting too out of line. No pots played against one another though). Older guy calls. We make it £85. BB calls, fish passes.

Flop  .

Villain leads for £150.

We?......

i prolly flat pre to let fish get involved, ur never gonna make a tonne from the abc guy but fish will stackoff w tpgk type holdings which we crush. Dont squeeze out the fish. As played, tough spot v live abc players. You dont really beat anything anymore, given that i doubt hes bad enough to lead £150 with underpair to the jack and is never bluffing. So ur either flipping v a big flushdraw or ur crushed, given his bet is too big to call and reevaluate on turn, i probably fold.

[byronkincaid]

the pot is too big to fold with an overpair tho innit?

[action man]

lol at fold

[TheChipPrince]

Is he tricky enough to flat your re-raise to £85 with AA/KK?  Doubtful, i'm shipping it in here... If he has a set tough luck, more likely J + big kicker...

[Pyso]

If he is counting out a raise oblivious to your and the button's actions, this is the first clue that he is strong. After you checked your option from posting, his £25 raise seems a lot but I don't know the dynamic of the table - was this standard? But then he goes and only calls your re-raise.

With aces most people can't wait to get it in, and probably kings for that matter. QQ, JJ, 1010, 99 or AK seem more likely here.

I see Alex's idea to keep the fish in, but at the same time I don't like a three way flop with queens. If you don't raise here, you have no help defining your hand pre-flop.

As played, if oppo is very abc and has bet into you, a fair proportion of the pot, then this suggests he remains strong.

I don't think I'm shoving here. But at the same time, it seems curious to fold. I would spend a lot of time looking at the player and talking to him. I want to know how comfortable he is with the prospect of me (you) staying involved.

If he has JJ, I think he checks it to you. If he has QQ or above, on that board he is likely to bet the amount he did. AK and an under pair would probably c-bet but not quite as much.

...having said all this, with the stacks as they are, if you call, you're probably going all the way. A tricky one, I would go with my live read here - How did it turn out?

[GreekStein]

The 6-8x raising was kinda standard for this game.

I considered flatting pre but wasn't entirely happy doing that with 2 players in the pot. I was hoping the SB would fold his 991010 AQ type hands and maybe the fish would give me a spin. He previously called £50 on an AQ6 flop w/1 club when playing about £250 with 79 clubs in his hand to make his backdoor flush and get his last £100 in on the river.

Obv that didn't happen. Be good to get a few more opinions before I post what happened....

[AlexMartin]

The 6-8x raising was kinda standard for this game.

I considered flatting pre but wasn't entirely happy doing that with 2 players in the pot. I was hoping the SB would fold his 991010 AQ type hands and maybe the fish would give me a spin. He previously called £50 on an AQ6 flop w/1 club when playing about £250 with 79 clubs in his hand to make his backdoor flush and get his last £100 in on the river.

Obv that didn't happen. Be good to get a few more opinions before I post what happened....

lol@ ppls thinking QQ is an auto stackoff here 200bb deep, 9 handed in live cash.

[T_Mar]

The 6-8x raising was kinda standard for this game.

I considered flatting pre but wasn't entirely happy doing that with 2 players in the pot. I was hoping the SB would fold his 991010 AQ type hands and maybe the fish would give me a spin. He previously called £50 on an AQ6 flop w/1 club when playing about £250 with 79 clubs in his hand to make his backdoor flush and get his last £100 in on the river.

Obv that didn't happen. Be good to get a few more opinions before I post what happened....

Out of interest why would you want the player in the blind to fold 99/TT/AQ ?? Aren't these the hands you dominate that you want in the pot with you?

I would flat call pre in position here, and dont mind the pot being 3 handed...

[Woodsey]

The 6-8x raising was kinda standard for this game.

I considered flatting pre but wasn't entirely happy doing that with 2 players in the pot. I was hoping the SB would fold his 991010 AQ type hands and maybe the fish would give me a spin. He previously called £50 on an AQ6 flop w/1 club when playing about £250 with 79 clubs in his hand to make his backdoor flush and get his last £100 in on the river.

Obv that didn't happen. Be good to get a few more opinions before I post what happened....

lol@ ppls thinking QQ is an auto stackoff here 200bb deep, 9 handed in live cash.

Interesting, but I would be way more likely to stick it in live than I would online where the players are more solid. I'd probably veer towards stacking off here if there is a good chance of getting it back again from the other fish on the table.

[byronkincaid]

The 6-8x raising was kinda standard for this game.

I considered flatting pre but wasn't entirely happy doing that with 2 players in the pot. I was hoping the SB would fold his 991010 AQ type hands and maybe the fish would give me a spin. He previously called £50 on an AQ6 flop w/1 club when playing about £250 with 79 clubs in his hand to make his backdoor flush and get his last £100 in on the river.

Obv that didn't happen. Be good to get a few more opinions before I post what happened....

lol@ ppls thinking QQ is an auto stackoff here 200bb deep, 9 handed in live cash.

Our SPR is less than 3

[MC]

Is he tricky enough to flat your re-raise to £85 with AA/KK?  Doubtful, i'm shipping it in here... If he has a set tough luck, more likely J + big kicker...

^^agree with this...

[Longy]

The 6-8x raising was kinda standard for this game.

I considered flatting pre but wasn't entirely happy doing that with 2 players in the pot. I was hoping the SB would fold his 991010 AQ type hands and maybe the fish would give me a spin. He previously called £50 on an AQ6 flop w/1 club when playing about £250 with 79 clubs in his hand to make his backdoor flush and get his last £100 in on the river.

Obv that didn't happen. Be good to get a few more opinions before I post what happened....

lol@ ppls thinking QQ is an auto stackoff here 200bb deep, 9 handed in live cash.

Our SPR is less than 3

This, we may be 200bbs deep but given the opening raise is a lot more than you get online. It is equivalent to 100bb deep pot online.

As for the hand itself its an interesting spot, I am leaning towards shoving but I am finding hard to put villian on a range of hands, his donk bet just makes no sense given the size of the pot with virtually any possible holding.

[GreekStein]

Thanks everyone for all the responses.

Unfortunately I made two mistakes this hand. I acted too quickly and I didn't give villain any credit for being decent.
 
I called hoping he had a flush draw as I can't beat anything else here - he just didn't look the type of kid to lead here with air.

I moved in for the rest and he called with KK.

I obviously didn't play the hand nearly as well as I should have, maybe due to being frustrated at the pace of live cash. Or maybe I just got pwned....

I'm still not sure I like his lead though as on a day when I get out of bed on the right side I pass here.

Now we know he had KK what do we think of his lead for £150?

[Pyso]

His lead looks smart because he got you to call. The power of hindsight..

But seriously, leading into someone who has re-raised you pre-flop makes some sense if you have mentally committed yourself to a favourable flop. After all, if he checks it to you, it might get checked back, he has lost value and you might also outdraw him. He can make up for his lack of position and his knowledge that you are also strong, strong enough to find a reason to disbelieve him and shove.

I see this all the time live and indeed have played it this way myself before.

As you said, maybe you needed more time to study him, talk to him perhaps and then work out your response to his 'donkbet'. And remember, just because he has led into you, doesn't always mean it's a bet from a donk. The great thing about poker is that there are no absolutes and there are a lot of different ways of getting the job done.

I don't think you played it badly necessarily. As multiple replies have noted it was a tricky spot. Just sigh and move on!