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GreekStein
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Re: Khan vs Barrerra
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Reply #15 on:
January 15, 2009, 05:46:28 PM »
Quote from: kinboshi on January 15, 2009, 05:44:45 PM
Quote from: GreekStein on January 15, 2009, 05:40:47 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on January 15, 2009, 05:26:35 PM
Khan has nothing to lose by taking the fight. If he loses, he loses to a legend. They can say that Barrera is still near the top of his game, etc. If Khan wins, they can claim the same - but even if the evidence is contrary to that, beating an aged Barrera is still good for the CV.
Win-win situation for Khan imo.
Unless he gets KOd in the first.
I disagree Boshi - the more confidence he loses at such a young age can have really bad implied odds for his future. Legend or not makes no difference as everyone knows Barrera is never gonna be as good as he was.
I'm not talking about his confidence. I'm talking about his earnings and his future career. He loses to Barrera and there's no shame in that. He beats Barrera and excellent - instaredemption.
You don't think losing this fight could have a detrimental effect on his future career? I do.
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Re: Khan vs Barrerra
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January 15, 2009, 05:58:41 PM »
Quote from: GreekStein on January 15, 2009, 05:46:28 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on January 15, 2009, 05:44:45 PM
Quote from: GreekStein on January 15, 2009, 05:40:47 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on January 15, 2009, 05:26:35 PM
Khan has nothing to lose by taking the fight. If he loses, he loses to a legend. They can say that Barrera is still near the top of his game, etc. If Khan wins, they can claim the same - but even if the evidence is contrary to that, beating an aged Barrera is still good for the CV.
Win-win situation for Khan imo.
Unless he gets KOd in the first.
I disagree Boshi - the more confidence he loses at such a young age can have really bad implied odds for his future. Legend or not makes no difference as everyone knows Barrera is never gonna be as good as he was.
I'm not talking about his confidence. I'm talking about his earnings and his future career. He loses to Barrera and there's no shame in that. He beats Barrera and excellent - instaredemption.
You don't think losing this fight could have a detrimental effect on his future career? I do.
If he gets KOd in the first, yes. Otherwise, no.
To be honest, at the moment the only way he could further damage his floundering career (career as a top-notch boxer and not a GB-level journeyman) is to change his name to
Audley
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January 15, 2009, 09:54:20 PM »
I just dont get this fight - why take it apart from the money.
No glory in beating a man past his prime, a half fit, half the man that he was in Barrerra will surely be to much.
One last Pay Day for Kahn IMO.
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January 15, 2009, 09:55:31 PM »
Gotta hand it to Khan, its a very ballsy move no matter how much bigger he is than Marco. Thats where Khan and Haye will always be superior to fellow amatuer success Audley Harrison, they have jumped right in the deep end with their careers and 6ft 5in Harrison is still in the paddling pool with water wings on.
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January 15, 2009, 09:57:53 PM »
Quote from: Nakor on January 15, 2009, 09:54:20 PM
I just dont get this fight - why take it apart from the money.
No glory in beating a man past his prime, a half fit, half the man that he was in Barrerra will surely be to much.
One last Pay Day for Kahn IMO.
No chance. Khan has a more than ten years of big pay days if they manage him correctly, pay days that will be amplified by a solid record, the only reason Team Khan has took this fight is because they believe he can win it.
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January 15, 2009, 10:01:59 PM »
Quote from: DaveShoelace on January 15, 2009, 09:55:31 PM
Gotta hand it to Khan, its a very ballsy move no matter how much bigger he is than Marco. Thats where Khan and Haye will always be superior to fellow amatuer success
Audley
Harrison
, they have jumped right in the deep end with their careers and 6ft 5in Harrison is still in the paddling pool with water wings on.
The truth is spoken by DaveShoelace.
Quote from: DaveShoelace on January 15, 2009, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: Nakor on January 15, 2009, 09:54:20 PM
I just dont get this fight - why take it apart from the money.
No glory in beating a man past his prime, a half fit, half the man that he was in Barrerra will surely be to much.
One last Pay Day for Kahn IMO.
No chance. Khan has a more than ten years of big pay days if they manage him correctly, pay days that will be amplified by a solid record, the only reason Team Khan has took this fight is because they believe he can win it.
But I just cant see it - the idea of boxing is not to get hit, not to get counted out and to try and knock the other guy out - all 3 aspects of the sport that Kahn seems to have trouble with.
I would love Kahn to win but I just can't see he has the ability, fitness does not make a professional boxer.
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Quote from: mondatoo on April 13, 2011, 09:14:50 PM
Shit post Nakor, such a clown.
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Re: Khan vs Barrerra
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January 15, 2009, 10:05:11 PM »
Quote from: Nakor on January 15, 2009, 10:01:59 PM
Quote from: DaveShoelace on January 15, 2009, 09:55:31 PM
Gotta hand it to Khan, its a very ballsy move no matter how much bigger he is than Marco. Thats where Khan and Haye will always be superior to fellow amatuer success
Audley
Harrison
, they have jumped right in the deep end with their careers and 6ft 5in Harrison is still in the paddling pool with water wings on.
The truth is spoken by DaveShoelace.
Quote from: DaveShoelace on January 15, 2009, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: Nakor on January 15, 2009, 09:54:20 PM
I just dont get this fight - why take it apart from the money.
No glory in beating a man past his prime, a half fit, half the man that he was in Barrerra will surely be to much.
One last Pay Day for Kahn IMO.
No chance. Khan has a more than ten years of big pay days if they manage him correctly, pay days that will be amplified by a solid record, the only reason Team Khan has took this fight is because they believe he can win it.
But I just cant see it - the idea of boxing is not to get hit, not to get counted out and to try and knock the other guy out - all 3 aspects of the sport that Kahn seems to have trouble with.
I would love Kahn to win but I just can't see he has the ability, fitness does not make a professional boxer.
Its his power and speed that make him a good boxer.
(Its his awful chin and awful defense that make him a bad one)
All of it combined make him exciting to watch.
Its all one way traffic with Khan, up until recently nobody could stop him but at the highest level, anyone has a shot. Khan has a 'i will KO you before you KO me' style and that
could
win him the fight. Its always going to be a gamble whenever he steps in the ring tho
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Re: Khan vs Barrerra
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January 15, 2009, 10:15:42 PM »
A few bucks up on betfair
Khan 1.8
Barerra 2
Close one.
Hope Barerra puts him down Prescott style though.
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Re: Khan vs Barrerra
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January 15, 2009, 10:21:54 PM »
Quote from: Nakor on January 15, 2009, 10:01:59 PM
Quote from: DaveShoelace on January 15, 2009, 09:55:31 PM
Gotta hand it to Khan, its a very ballsy move no matter how much bigger he is than Marco. Thats where Khan and Haye will always be superior to fellow amatuer success
Audley
Harrison
, they have jumped right in the deep end with their careers and 6ft 5in Harrison is still in the paddling pool with water wings on.
The truth is spoken by DaveShoelace.
Quote from: DaveShoelace on January 15, 2009, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: Nakor on January 15, 2009, 09:54:20 PM
I just dont get this fight - why take it apart from the money.
No glory in beating a man past his prime, a half fit, half the man that he was in Barrerra will surely be to much.
One last Pay Day for Kahn IMO.
No chance. Khan has a more than ten years of big pay days if they manage him correctly, pay days that will be amplified by a solid record, the only reason Team Khan has took this fight is because they believe he can win it.
But I just cant see it - the idea of boxing is not to get hit, not to get counted out and to try and knock the other guy out - all 3 aspects of the sport that Kahn seems to have trouble with.
I would love Kahn to win but I just can't see he has the ability, fitness does not make a professional boxer.
David Haye approaches the game in the same way. He knows he's defensively lacking, but his firepower makes up for it (most of the time). It's also what makes him exciting to watch.
Naz was the same - and he was caught out when he fought the best (who happened to be Barrera). Johnny Nelson from the same gym started out as a useless boxer. Ingle shaped him into a world class boxer - usually dull as dishwater to watch though, as self-preservation was ahead of entertainment for him. When he did come out of his boxing shell he was superb, but 95% of the rounds he boxed were completely forgettable.
Did everyone see the Mosley v Mayorga fight in the autumn last year? If not, watch it. It's the flaws that make Mosley exciting to watch - that fight took it to the extreme.
Khan v Barrera is a fight I never thought I'd see, but it's a brilliant bit of matchmaking and promotion.
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January 15, 2009, 10:35:54 PM »
Quote from: rossfourfive on January 15, 2009, 10:15:42 PM
A few bucks up on betfair
Khan 1.8
Barerra 2
Close one.
Hope Barerra puts him down Prescott style though
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January 15, 2009, 10:58:32 PM »
anybody think the picture Khan is holding up with Barrerras face to promote the fight looks ridiculously tacky?? They even cut a hole cut out; so Khan can put his fist through it as if he's actually squaring up to him
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January 16, 2009, 09:31:56 AM »
Freddie Roach is the key to this fight. If anyone knows the key to beating Barrera, it's him (although it has involved Pacquiao previously and Khan isn't Pacquiao!).
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Quote from: kinboshi on January 16, 2009, 09:31:56 AM
Freddie Roach is the key to this fight. If anyone knows the key to beating Barrera, it's him (although it has involved Pacquiao previously and Khan isn't Pacquiao!).
Freddy Roach is a fucking snake, always seems to turncoat on his old boxers and trains fighters to beat them lol.
But yes, thats a very good point, Khan has been sparring with Pacman and he could be getting trained up to be Pacman 2. If you remember, Pacman used to be a no defence kinda guy but put on a pugilist master class last time out, so it could be a very good move.
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Quote from: DaveShoelace on January 16, 2009, 09:45:27 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on January 16, 2009, 09:31:56 AM
Freddie Roach is the key to this fight. If anyone knows the key to beating Barrera, it's him (although it has involved Pacquiao previously and Khan isn't Pacquiao!).
Freddy Roach is a fucking snake, always seems to turncoat on his old boxers and trains fighters to beat them lol.
Bit harsh. I can only think of one boxer he's done that to - and that was De La Hoya - and it was De La Hoya who fired Roach when he lost to Mayweather. He's just like a football manager who leaves one club and joins another. If they split on acrimonious terms, he's going to be fired up for a bit of revenge. Human nature isn't it?
Roach dumped McCullough, but that wasn't him turning his back on the 'Pocket Rocket' - he didn't want to see him fight with a cyst on his brain - which is fair considering what head punches have done to Roach's health.
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But yes, thats a very good point, Khan has been sparring with Pacman and he could be getting trained up to be Pacman 2. If you remember, Pacman used to be a no defence kinda guy but put on a pugilist master class last time out, so it could be a very good move.
Also Khan's been training with Pacquiao, and you don't really get a better sparring partner. I really think Roach is the key here.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7833593.stm
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