blonde & Poker Trillion

[The Camel]

Anyone want a sweepstake on how long he'll get?

Allen Stanford got 100 years or so for a similar amount of fraud.

Fortunate for the Don he chose the UK to commit his crime really.

Under / over: 10 years?

[tikay]

Oh my word.........

I have no idea how long he will get, & of course I was pretty cross that he duped me, & blonde, & failed to honour his debt to us, it left us in a very bad spot indeed. 

On a personal level, he always treated me very well, politely & resopectfully, & I had several cruises on his wonderful yacht, being waited on by the crew of 22, eating fine food, playing cards all night whilst we cruised the Greek Islands, or were moored in the harbour at Monte Carlo, driving (is that the word?) one of the 4 incredible jetskis the yacht carried.

He took me to Annabels one night, in his Bentley. Annabel's was horrendous - it had loud music & stuff - but it was interesting to see how the Club-set worked.

Think I'd best stop now, there is half a book of this stuff.

I hope the sentence is short though, & he gets back on his feet, I really do. I know, I know......but I do hope he sorts himself out, & returns to society quickly. He was very kind to me, except of course when lifting my leg on the matter of blondepoker.

[EvilPie]

It's easy to be kind to someone when you're using someone else's money.

Can't believe you're saying this TK but I suppose it's understandable given that he's treated you well using money he stole from the banks.

To be fair you think the Krays were nice blokes though so I guess this isn't too bad.

Assuming he's genuinely guilty of this fraud I hope they throw the book at him. It's people like him who've put the country/world in the financial mess it's in now. Borrowing money on false promises and literally sucking it out of circulation blowing it on a ridiculously flash lifestyle.

That 740M that he stole could've maybe saved the homes of 7400 people. Ever thought of it that way?

[tikay]

Yes yes, I understand all that Matt, & I can't actually explain why I feel as I do, because I agree, it is not logical, nor does it make much sense.

And yes, I know he was able to be kind, perhaps, because he stole money.

All of which misses my point really. I don't actually think forgiveness is something I should feel ashamed of. There is so much angst & hate in life these days. When did forgiveness go out of fashion?

Did you read that thread the other day, when the kid asked to see a mucked hand? Almost without exception, it was like "I WOULD SMASH HIS ******* HEAD IN". I have no idea where all the angst comes from, it seems to me that everyone on blonde is a whiter than white hero.

[tikay]

It's easy to be kind to someone when you're using someone else's money.

Can't believe you're saying this TK but I suppose it's understandable given that he's treated you well using money he stole from the banks.

To be fair you think the Krays were nice blokes though so I guess this isn't too bad.

Assuming he's genuinely guilty of this fraud I hope they throw the book at him. It's people like him who've put the country/world in the financial mess it's in now. Borrowing money on false promises and literally sucking it out of circulation blowing it on a ridiculously flash lifestyle.

That 740M that he stole could've maybe saved the homes of 7400 people. Ever thought of it that way?

I don't think I ever said the Krays were "nice", I hope I said I was fascinated & fixated by they & their ilk, & yes, I still am, I probably own over 200 books about the London gang scene.

Side by side on my bookcase last night, whilst I was looking for some bedtime reading, were books about Bear Grylls, Steve Jobs, & Mad Frankie Fraser. Guess which one I picked up to read again?

[EvilPie]

You certainly shouldn't feel ashamed of your feelings of forgiveness. People definitely deserve a second chance that's for sure.

I'm of the opinion though that forgiveness should only be for those who feel genuine remorse. If this fella who I've never met and never will is genuinely sorry for what he's done and regrets his fraudulent activities then I believe he should be forgiven and offered a second chance.

Unfortunately the fact that he's pleading not guilty suggests he doesn't give a shit about what he's done hence why I think they should throw the book at him.

I'd guess you read the Frankie book? That's the one I'd have chose as well. Thuggery's far more interesting than some bloke who eats worms.

Yes that thread about the mucked hand was a bit strange. Why the need for aggro over something so trivial? Very strange. Most of it was just internet talk though to be fair. I'm pretty sure that everyone would've just kept quiet and done absolutely nothing in the real world.

[tikay]

You certainly shouldn't feel ashamed of your feelings of forgiveness. People definitely deserve a second chance that's for sure.

I'm of the opinion though that forgiveness should only be for those who feel genuine remorse. If this fella who I've never met and never will is genuinely sorry for what he's done and regrets his fraudulent activities then I believe he should be forgiven and offered a second chance.

Unfortunately the fact that he's pleading not guilty suggests he doesn't give a shit about what he's done hence why I think they should throw the book at him.

I'd guess you read the Frankie book? That's the one I'd have chose as well. Thuggery's far more interesting than some bloke who eats worms.

Yes that thread about the mucked hand was a bit strange. Why the need for aggro over something so trivial? Very strange. Most of it was just internet talk though to be fair. I'm pretty sure that everyone would've just kept quiet and done absolutely nothing in the real world.

I was astonished at the anger levels over such a trivillity, I really was. Everyone was like, "grrrraw\fgzsthhtjhtyhryhrtdttryoudirtyfilthybastard".

Not sure if it was that thread, or a similar one, where one guy, who I met recently & was perfectly amiable & personable, said "it was the most tilting thing in my whole life".

I've barely stopped musing on that since. Wow, just wow.

As I have posted previously, my Grandad Angell got "a bit cross" with the Germans when they dropped a bomb clean through his basement coal-cellar. Times have changed so much.  

[tikay]

You certainly shouldn't feel ashamed of your feelings of forgiveness. People definitely deserve a second chance that's for sure.

I'm of the opinion though that forgiveness should only be for those who feel genuine remorse. If this fella who I've never met and never will is genuinely sorry for what he's done and regrets his fraudulent activities then I believe he should be forgiven and offered a second chance.

Unfortunately the fact that he's pleading not guilty suggests he doesn't give a shit about what he's done hence why I think they should throw the book at him.

I'd guess you read the Frankie book? That's the one I'd have chose as well. Thuggery's far more interesting than some bloke who eats worms.

Yes that thread about the mucked hand was a bit strange. Why the need for aggro over something so trivial? Very strange. Most of it was just internet talk though to be fair. I'm pretty sure that everyone would've just kept quiet and done absolutely nothing in the real world.

Yes, I read the thuggery book (for the 4th time I think) & swerved Mr Grylls, who is of course an infinitely better person.

Few books have thrilled me more than Papillon, & he was a nasty piece of wortk, too. I don't understand my fascination for it, but I don't deny it either.

I'm pleased that forgiveness remains on your agenda, albeit with caveats, which is fair enough.

Complex subject.

If you bumped into the chap that hacked Booder's accounts, what would you do or say to him? I make the point for balance, because I freely admit, I'd be tempted to cut the hackers hands off, I really would. He'd not do it again if he had no hands.   

[outragous76]

Very interesting topic this

I find that the true validation of forgiveness comes when you consider, "if the person did it to me, would I forgive". I believe its why fruad is often overlooked as  "not that serious" and is perhaps more easily forgiven, but the reality is it doesnt take too many of these huge incidents of fraud to register on a large scale.

I have been dwelling all week over an incident that happened nearly a year ago, over something which another person might see as trivial (or forgive because the incident is no longer having a noticable impact). As it happened to me, I still want to tear the blokes arms and legs off!

[tikay]

Very interesting topic this

I find that the true validation of forgiveness comes when you consider, "if the person did it to me, would I forgive". I believe its why fruad is often overlooked as  "not that serious" and is perhaps more easily forgiven, but the reality is it doesnt take too many of these huge incidents of fraud to register on a large scale.

I have been dwelling all week over an incident that happened nearly a year ago, over something which another person might see as trivial (or forgive because the incident is no longer having a noticable impact). As it happened to me, I still want to tear the blokes arms and legs off!

Yes, if you are the victim, it definitely feels different, quite understandably.

[EvilPie]

You certainly shouldn't feel ashamed of your feelings of forgiveness. People definitely deserve a second chance that's for sure.

I'm of the opinion though that forgiveness should only be for those who feel genuine remorse. If this fella who I've never met and never will is genuinely sorry for what he's done and regrets his fraudulent activities then I believe he should be forgiven and offered a second chance.

Unfortunately the fact that he's pleading not guilty suggests he doesn't give a shit about what he's done hence why I think they should throw the book at him.

I'd guess you read the Frankie book? That's the one I'd have chose as well. Thuggery's far more interesting than some bloke who eats worms.

Yes that thread about the mucked hand was a bit strange. Why the need for aggro over something so trivial? Very strange. Most of it was just internet talk though to be fair. I'm pretty sure that everyone would've just kept quiet and done absolutely nothing in the real world.

Yes, I read the thuggery book (for the 4th time I think) & swerved Mr Grylls, who is of course an infinitely better person.

Few books have thrilled me more than Papillon, & he was a nasty piece of wortk, too. I don't understand my fascination for it, but I don't deny it either.

I'm pleased that forgiveness remains on your agenda, albeit with caveats, which is fair enough.

Complex subject.

If you bumped into the chap that hacked Booder's accounts, what would you do or say to him? I make the point for balance, because I freely admit, I'd be tempted to cut the hackers hands off, I really would. He'd not do it again if he had no hands.   

If I was on his yacht in Monaco probably not a lot

[tikay]

Ha!

Matt owns the debate.

[EvilPie]

TK. Have you seen those 2 films about the whole banking collapse?

There's 'Inside Job' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Job_(film)

and 'Too big to fail' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1742683/

I'm sure there's others but these are the 2 that I've viewed.

Inside Job in particular is really good because it's a documentary type film that explains a lot of how it all happened.

Thousands lost their homes whilst a few made countless millions seemingly out of their misery.

If you've not watched them I'll burn a copy of each for you. I realise this is slightly hypocritical as really you should buy them rather than steal them off the internet but obviously we all know that piracy is a 'victimless' crime

[Tal]

Only just found out about all of this.

One word: blimey

[doubleup]

Pretty good article

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/16/guilty-verdict-biggest-ever-mortgage-fraud